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Forgive me for this repeat, but I didn't get much response in Weekly Themes. I won't make it a habit Anyone know the age and origin of today's expr A person who frequently attacks others in speech or writing... Incidentally, it apparently has more than one meaning, as www.myspace.com/shawn_adlerA porch dog is a dog who comes to your porch to hang out with you, but isn't yours. ... I had a porch dog for a while last night and that was sweet. ... profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user. viewprofile&friendid=34211717 --thanks all -------------------- dalehileman
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Betting it is from Middle Hillbilly, although the spelling is suspect. The concept does not seem familiar. 
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As opposed to Early Classical Appalachian English? Then there's Ozark English, too. The thing is, if, indeed, a thing needs to be rethought, that both are merely dialects of English and not degraded de facto Standard American English (aka the Midwestern dialect of American English).
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...Standard American English (aka the Midwestern dialect of American English).
Sez who?
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Heard at one time that Omaha was selected as some sort of giant telecommunications hub because the majority of operators there would have the least degree of accent, twangy or otherwise [as if]. 
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Sez who?Some linguist, either at university or in some book I read. I typed de facto not de jure. What are you choices? New England or Southern (and which variety)? Googling around, I see that some linguists, e.g., Prof. Wm Labov, make a distinction between North Central, Midland, and West dialects of American English, which I would've grouped into the Midwestern dialect, so I guess I should update my sentence to say: The West dialect of American English, on account of Hollywood , its use in the media.
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i too have heard, that americans (i.e., US citizens) have themselves identified the mid western dialect of US english to be the most correct.. (tho i suspect NYer's would disagree!) an area stretching from Ohio, extending westward, and a bit northward, and slightly south the more west it goes.
New Englanders recognize their speach is not 'normal' (and joke themselves about 'i parked my car in harvard yard')
southerners recognize they speak with a drawl (and every souther state residents identified some other states as having the worst)
and most NYers will admit, that terti terd and terd (or is it turti turd and turd?) is not unknown in our fair city (i grew up with a friend who said turlet (tur like turtle +let for toilet.)) and that fran dresers nasal twain had a hint of reality..(not that i speak that way you understand!)
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I wasn't suggesting that the Midwestern dialect was to or should be privileged in some manner, just that it's closest to some neutral, American dialect, rather than being identified with a particular regional accent. OTOH, it's something that proponents of radical orthographic reform / change never seem to think about. A "phonetic" (maybe more of a phonemic) writing system would be different in different parts of the States.
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I heard an unknown woman on TV repeatedly saying the word juice, and the way she said it just grated on my nerves. I wish I could put accurate phonemes for how she pronounced it, but I can't. My best guess is that it was a NY/NJ accent; kind of like joooss, as though she were dropping her lower jaw to make the oo sound; she also held the s sound a hair longer than I would. Made me realize that I say it something like gee-use.
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A few years back, I heard a Congressman from Massachusetts speaking on TV in a "standard accent" (obviously not one of the Kennedy's) until he got to the word farm which came out fay..yuh..wum.
IMO, Kelly Pickler torpedoed herself on American Idol partially by never having learned to drop her "country" twang on non-country songs - "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" aihuhyum aaiiieee (am I) was particularly painful. Not just that the accent, but having to slide through three different vowels on what's supposed to be one long pure note. On the other hand, hearing a classically trained singer butchering a pop song with pure Italian vowels can be pretty funny.
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They only do it to annoy you. They go to the web site http://www.how_jackie_and_myridon_talk.org and then talk some other way.
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[snort] 
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Thanks all--but if anyone could summarize all the later common usages--defs if you will--then I wuld be much indebted indeed
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I haven't seen the term "porch dog" before, but I have heard a saying (and seen it on bumper stickers too) that says "If you can't run with the big dogs then stay on the porch." (Presumably the person espousing this P.O.V. is a self-proclaimed big dog and we're all supposed to be very impressed with him.)
A countrified version of "Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered" does sound awful. I'm glad I don't watch American Idol. Next thing you know they'll have Toby Keith wannabes singing "The Way You Look Tonight."
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They only do it to annoy you.
Sorry, the point wasn't to make fun of their accents. Both comments were meant to be about problems relating to the usage of standardized accents.
Kelly Pickler's accent is charming and I could listen to her talk all day, but as someone aspiring to be a professional singer it's hard to see how she could have gotten to where she is now without learning how to do some modulation of her accent/style on songs outside her specialty (not to mention the possibility of wanting to sing Eliza Doolittle or West Side Story).
It's kind of like how they keep finding people to go on Survivor who say it's their favorite show and then are surprised when they are expected to be able to swim, catch fish, and light a fire.
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Jackie: That's what I say
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