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#158403 04/09/06 12:50 PM
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Do you really think that your IQ can be derived from whether or not you think dimdangs are werewozzles or what color hat the girl's sister nephew is wearing or what color the next marble is going to be?

I'm starting to think IQ is nothing more than a myth created by so-called intellectuals that couldn't find the right way to perform auto-fellatio.


All of that aside, anyone know any good IQ tests (online that I don't have to pay for, but that are close to the real thing and not from "quizilla")?

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IQ tests only test knowledge of the world in which you live. Ex: A man from africa could be the smartest man in the world and come to American and fail horribly just because he doesnt know: one, our langauge; two, our culture; three, and our history. The rules are you have to live in the country of where the IQ tests are meant for and follow what everyone else does. It is a limited test, we are not all equal enough for a perfect IQ test. Point being, the day we are all mushed together enough is the day I kill myself. Because mutualism is the key to survival if anything.


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Well, I live in Miami in South Florida. My parents are Cuban immigrants, though I was born here. I'm "second generation," so I'm Americanized to a degree, but Miami is nothing like the rest of the US.
So that might effect my results.
A simple example, I remember I didn't know what an oar was up until a few years ago, because I've always known of it as a paddle.


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#158406 04/10/06 12:28 AM
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Quote:

I remember I didn't know what an oar was up until a few years ago, because I've always known of it as a paddle.




Where I come from an oar and a paddle are two different things. But always remember: YMMV.

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I once read that IQ tests were first developed in order to create a merit-based system of admissions to higher education than the patrician one that prevailed at the time. That is, they were not originally designed with the intention of creating new elite, but of diminishing an old.

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People confuse all sorts of "standardized tests" with real IQ tests. Lots of people claim to know their IQ's but very few have taken a real, full and complete IQ test.

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It's a circular argument as well. IQ tests measure intelligence, intelligence is defined as how you measure on IQ tests.

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there are some I.Q test (a 4 hour battery) that are less cultural based.

just a month ago, the NYTimes science section had some samples from test, ("Pick the next in the series" or "pick the one that doesn't belong" type questions) that were used to tested people in US (of all levels) and tested people in (i forget, zambia springs to mind, but its a WAG) and by and large successful people in US (employed, completed schooling--either HS or unversity) and successful people with out schooling in the african country, (tribal leaders, sucessful hunters) scored about the same.

less successful people (employees of fast food places, or wal mart type stores, and less successful people with out education (the guys working in/on plantation at a level of virtual slavery in the african country) also faired about the same.

does a high IQ always equal success? or does hard work and success expose you to new ways of thinking? its hard to tell, but people who never studies geometry (in US or else where)and who had ( hadn't) mastered consepts of shapes/angles/progressions, faired about the same in their personal lives (as they did on the test!)

people who had mastered the concepts (either by formal education, or by the ability to think) tended to do better economically.

you don't need to study geometry to understand acute or obtuse angles (and that they are different) but if when you see them, you understantd the concept (and can pick out which angle is like the others, (or not like the others) it seems likely you are 'smarter' and better able to think.
(and the ability to think helps you get employed --or to be more successful hunting prey.. (which is just an other way to measure success!)

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My info is probably out of date (university was mumblemumble years ago) but I can remember that some of the problems identified with IQ tests were the culturally loaded language and the lack of measurement of other success related factors such as social skills and perserverance.
Hey, maybe they should scrap the tests and use just the selected items from the NYT piece that do seem predictive.

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Now really, Zed and of troy, surely you two bright folk know that diffrent Cultures, like diffrent individuals, have different IQ's.

Lucky are the people born in those Cultures that have the highest IQ's.
And you two are very lucky.

Right inselpeter?

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