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#152705 - 12/27/05 08:00 AM A Grammar Question  
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I read that the sentence, "The Tigers are my favorite team," is grammaticaly correct. I've always thought the proper verb was "is". Does anyone know the rule?

#152706 - 12/27/05 11:01 AM Re: A Grammar Question  
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We generally go with grammar by form for such matters in the good ole US&A. "The Tigers are " vs. "Detroit is " For teams with singular names you would see, e.g., "Cornell is " and "Big Red is " In the UK you will frequently see grammar by meaning with such constructions as "Arsenal are "

#152707 - 12/27/05 11:22 AM Re: A Grammar Question  
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But it's grammatically correct to say the "the lemon and banana ARE on the table." I don't understand why "team" shouldn't always take the verb 'is'.

#152708 - 12/27/05 01:13 PM Re: A Grammar Question  
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Tigers has an s.


formerly known as etaoin...
#152709 - 12/27/05 01:45 PM Re: A Grammar Question  
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When reading British periodicals, one comes across the following sort of constructions:

"The Ministry are letting contracts ..."
"The Ministry are preparing for ..."

These sounds off to the ears of residents of the USA because we think of a department of government as being a unit, an entity, a single thing and single things take singular verbs. To reach the mindset of Brits, it is necessary to mentally add some words, e.g.:

"(Officials of) the Ministry are letting contracts ..."
"(Members of) the Ministry are preparing for ..."

#152710 - 12/27/05 01:52 PM Re: A Grammar Question  
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the real answers is: teams (a collective treated as singular noun) should use is.
HOWEVER- some collective nouns are treated as plurals, this is especailly true, (but not exclusively true) if they end in an S.
Finally--there is no way to know which collective nouns are exceptions--they generally are local idioms. (Local being used to define a variety of english, (UK, US, etc))

Dam'd if i can think of an example right now, but others will join in with more examples--hundreds...
and while most will be american (US) english idioms, not all will be. One has already been provided- (Arsenal)

#152711 - 12/27/05 05:17 PM Re: A Glamo(u)r Question  
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When you're listening late at night
You may think the band are not quite right
But they are, they just play it like that.

[Geo. Harrison. Only a Northern Song]


Ceci n'est pas un seing.
#152712 - 12/27/05 06:12 PM Re: A Glamo(u)r Question  
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they just play it like that. Rimshot

#152713 - 12/28/05 01:00 AM Re: A Grammar Question  
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Thank you.

#152714 - 12/28/05 11:12 AM Re: A Grammar Question  
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As far as I'm concerned, it's "the Tigers is," but it just sounds funny, and people can't be bothered.

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