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#149926 11/06/05 04:57 AM
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Quote:

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What? You're not coming over to the dark side, padre? Not some sort of Pauline Damascus highway stunt? Jes' wondrin, 'cos that's a mighty fine piece of descriptivism there.

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yeahbut, Jesse does work, ultimately, for the mother country; so I'm sure Fr. Steve is feeling conflicted on this one.

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My thought, upon reading this article, was that such issues are often more complex and nuanced than simple bi-polar labels will allow.

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This topic has been a point of discussion over to wordorigins. There was some disagreement about what was literal and what wasn't.

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...more complex and nuanced than simple bi-polar labels will allow.

Perhaps an off-shoot of that board could argue the pros and cons of being *bad.

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Interesting article.

I wonder if writers such as Joyce and, especially, Twain, don't use literally figuratively partly funnily. That is, do they use it with a wink and a nod at the 'literal' meaning, and a gentle poke at persnickities.

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"The one sensible criticism that can be made about the intensive use of literally is that it can often lead to confusing or silly-sounding results. In this case, the answer is simple: Don't write silly-soundingly. Some usage books even bother to make this point about literally. Then again, most usage advice could be reduced to one simple instruction: 'Be clear.' But that would be the end of a publishing category."

And this, I believe, is why we need more, not fewer, prescriptivists. As I've said before, communication is just that: getting one's point across. One cannot communicate effectively without having rules of language. And part of really good communication is knowing when to break the rules for some positive impact on the imparting of information. But in order to know when to break the rule one must know the rule in the first place.

And this, I believe, is where pure descriptivism has shortcomings. It says, "We've seen this in print," or "We've heard people talking like this." But unless a prescriptivist comes along and says, "This is the rule," then most people will not know whether or not they are following the golden rule of communication: "Be clear."

It reminds me of one of Freedman's famous quips: "In economics, there is only one rule: TINSTAAFL.* All the rest is corollary."

*There is no such thing as a free lunch."


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it's yin and yang, guys. can't have one without the other. it's the energy that drives language.


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Thank you!
Dang!

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