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Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148388
10/13/05 04:02 AM
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yeah, but, themilum, years ago, (but still allegedly part of the enlightened age) when i worked as a service technician, i was told "its a man job" (it required the use of tools) and a manager (in a one to one conversation, so it would have been a case of he said/she said told me i was 'depriving a man of job' by doing what i was doing.

'manpower' was how the work force was 'averaged'.

it was a job. any woman who was interested would have been quite capable of doing it. (yeah, you did occationally have to move 60 lbs parts, (or as i said, a 6 year old, and the parts didn't kick and scream))

supposedly "neutral terms' like mailman or manpower, or manned station are anything but neutral if you are a woman working in a field or occupation that is still largely one considered to be a man's job.

changing language is start to changing thinking.

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148389
10/13/05 04:47 AM
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this too shall pass
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but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148390
10/13/05 02:15 PM
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Who are you talking to? he said in a friendly tone of type. I just didn't know what you were disagreeing *with. Anyway, as far as *what you were disagreeing with goes, you may disagree with me, but I don't disagree with you. Nor do I think my statement suggests I do.

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148391
10/13/05 02:16 PM
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Quote:

but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)




You are really pretty funny today.

Re: funny tsuwm #148392
10/13/05 03:43 PM
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Quote:

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but isn't this really an example of overindulgence??

after all, *who is it that's being disparaged in saying that the border station is unmanned?

in the final analysis there's no one there.
-joe (I must hang around with ron o. too much)




You are really pretty funny today.




I *agree. And he's using emoticons! Who'da thunk?

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148393
10/14/05 12:10 AM
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Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there

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Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148394
10/14/05 12:24 AM
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Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there




And Idowanna be a woperson in the first place. I wanna be a joyperson!


PS Is it my imagination or is white text really invisible on this board, unless you highlight it? Or is it just my monitor?

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148395
10/14/05 01:27 AM
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is white text really invisible on this board Prolly has to do with the color scheme you've selected, Sweet Thing. Maybe?

EDIT: I'm currently using desert classic (I think); I can tell that something is there, but I sure can't read it without highlighting it.

EDIT #2: Hoo boy, it shows up loud and clear in "black and blue"!

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148396
10/14/05 11:19 PM
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Well, if I were a woperson I would be highly dudgeonated by being called a man.




Well, if I were a dungeon I'd be highly insulted by a woperson being called dungeonated. so there




And Idowanna be a woperson in the first place. I wanna be a joyperson!




Well, wofa, unfortunately you already are a woperson.

Re: 'manned/unmanned' and gender neutralisation #148397
10/25/05 07:08 PM
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Personally I would not be offended by someone thinking I was male (unless they could actually see me at the time.) In fact a lot of people assumed that "Zed" was a male sounding name when I first arrived on the board. I am not insulted by "masculin" terms like manned but I do think that truly gender neutral terms can help to (slowly) change attitudes. I dislike gender screwy terms like woperson and I am offended when PC terms are carefully used to cover up continued actual discrimination. eg when a business changes from having a Chairman to having a Chairperson with a hidden resolve never to have a female chairperson.

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