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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Re: Origin & comparisons of "goodwill" #145750 08/02/05 12:14 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain Marianna addict Marianna addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 427 Spain Wow, Bingley, how interesting! Oh, and thanks everyone else. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Origin & comparisons of "goodwill" #145751 08/07/05 02:49 PM Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 4 Seattle, WA H hollisr OP stranger OP hollisr stranger H Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 4 Seattle, WA Thanks so much for your attention to my questions. It's helped a lot. I like the discussions - including the wayward paths and corrections. Thanks - Hollis hollis hollis Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter But, wait! #145752 08/07/05 04:23 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 That's not all! One of my Japanese dictionaries translates goodwill as zen'i: zen - good, goodness, virtue i - mind, heart, attention, care The other only translates it into kanji. The kanji aren't the same as the ones transliterated as zen'i and I haven't been able to track them down. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: But, wait! #145753 08/07/05 05:54 PM Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 4 Seattle, WA H hollisr OP stranger OP hollisr stranger H Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 4 Seattle, WA Is the "zen" in this usage related to the "zen" used with "zen Buddhism"? hollis hollis Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: But, wait! #145754 08/07/05 07:26 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Is the "zen" in this usage related to the "zen" used with "zen Buddhism" Nope. Whole nother word. You get that a lot in languages with lots of one syllable words. In Chinese, even with tones, you can get get several different readings of the same sound. That's why Chinese words are generally combinations of two characters. Built in redundancy clarifies meaning. In Japanese sometimes, if there's a chance of ambiguity in speech, speakers will draw the kanji on their palms to indicate which of several possible interpretations is the correct one. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Origin & comparisons of "goodwill" #145755 09/04/05 12:13 AM Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,636 Caribbean consuelo Carpal Tunnel consuelo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,636 Caribbean "Buena voluntad", therefore, means you are well disposed to do something. Hola, Marianna. Yes, this is also my understanding. I think it also encompasses the intangibles of the spirit but I could be wrong. Spanish is my second language. Edit: The opposite would be "de mala gana", contextually translated to mean that you would do or are doing something even though you don't really want to do it. I can't think right now what a more literal translation might be. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,371 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 933 guests, and 0 robots. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 30 A C Bowden 24 LukeJavan8 3 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 wofahulicodoc 10,561 tsuwm 10,542 LukeJavan8 9,919 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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