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Great word! thanks, AnnaS! Of course, my warped little brain wonders if a metathesis (with the emPHAsis on the wrong sylLAble) is kinda like a unified field theory...
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Oh--I just reminded myself of another question: a couple of times in the book, I have seen ref.'s to an amount of...Rupees?, for ex.: R 1,50,000. Can anybody tell me how many 1,50,000 of anything is? That first comma has me bumfuzzled.
My first thought was that it might have been a reference to 1 crore, 50 lakhs, but I couldn't explain the other zeros. Here's another possibility. Maybe there's a zero missing from the number, so that it should be Rs 1,500,000. Just a stab in the dark, of course. Where's my Radha when I need her?
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we all know how to 'say' ph
And, as eta so ably demonstrated, we would all be wrong. Being how as it's from an Indian language it's an aspirated unvoiced bilabial plosive and not an unvoiced labio-dental fricative.
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Being how as it's from an Indian language it's an aspirated unvoiced bilabial plosive and not an unvoiced labio-dental fricative.
Easy for you to say!
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And, as eta so ably demonstrated, we would all be wrong. Being how as it's from an Indian language it's an aspirated unvoiced bilabial plosive and not an unvoiced labio-dental fricative.
I never could wrap my neuron around all that stuff, but, even though there is no "ph" of any sort in the name of the city in Rajasthan, here's a page devoted entirely to the Hindi ph(s)
http://maxqnzs.com/ph.html
P.S. That's a native speaker, not me.
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re:--And, as eta so ably demonstrated, we would all be wrong. Being how as it's from an Indian language it's an aspirated unvoiced bilabial plosive and not an unvoiced labio-dental fricative.
Yeah, but... i did point out that 'hobson-jobson' was also a factor. (only i forgot the term hobsom-jobsom) and just pointed out "there is a tendency to make 'foriegn words' into more english friendly words".
and then transposing dhp (a sound, no doubt i could learn to make) inot a d-ph -a sound i already know how to make, is not unusual. no matter what spelling i encountered, i suspect i would say jod-fur--
if my audience was mostly desi, i would recognize that i was saying it wrong, but i don't know, (unless i was addressing a delegation from the city of Jodhpur) that i would make the effort to learn to say the city name differently than the clothing name.
(and i encounter people all the time who fail to realize the NY street, and texas city have different names--even if they are spelled the same way... )
Hobson-jobson ism has mangle many names over the ages.. its not just english speakers that engage in it.
(see www.engrish.com)
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I have never heard anyone pronounce it with an F.
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and i have never heard it any way but jodphur (jod-fur's)!
i was (since when, i don't know, but for along time) aware that the word was an indian(hindi?) one.. and even aware it was a city.. but if presented with a map of india, and major cities marked.. i don't know that i could correctly label one Jodhpur.. but i think (-really more of WAG-) that its in the north west..sort of corner..
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heh.
I didn't know that it was an Indian city, I guess, until this discussion.
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and i have never heard it any way but jodphur (jod-fur's)!
Well, now I'm curious whether the "jodfurs" pronunciation is regional. I've never heard of jodhpurs with an "eff" sound, and New York isn't all that far from Michigan. People from areas surrounding New York: how are you used to hearing this word pronounced?
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