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#144421 06/25/05 10:10 PM
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> wouldn't be surprised to find "paul" longer than "peekay

I would, but do let me know when you've tried it Fong - my sonograph's got a flat battery!


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> wouldn't be surprised to find "paul" longer than "peekay

'specially if you let Jackie say it...



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#144423 06/26/05 12:21 AM
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hell, yea~uh, I was assuming it had only one syllable but!


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Paul is pronounced PAW-awl...


#144425 06/27/05 07:05 AM
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Sure. We are our names, and our names are us, and are the only enduring things we have. All that is left after death is the name only. They will outlast us in records after we have gone for many many years. Our names, in fact, are our most precious personal things. They should be used with care and consideration. How I wish that telemarketers would respect them. How's about we start to use honorifics again when we address complete strangers?


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welcome, Mr. er, Ms., um, Buderim.

> All that is left after death is the name only.

not necessarily. there could be works of art, or an invention, or cure, or...?



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#144427 06/27/05 04:27 PM
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Wow, this is a fascinating thread!

I have always gone by Elizabeth, except for two years when my brother David was very small. He called me "Betty", and the rest of the family did, too, until he learned to say "Elizabeth". Nobody else called me "Betty". I like my full name. My husband, also a David, gets "Dave" from a lot of people, sometimes even his family, but I always call him David. Another David I know told me he liked that I didn't call him "Dave" like everyone else.

For several years I was known by a totally different name to a lot of my friends. I was part of the Society for Creative Anachronism, a mediaeval recreationist group. Part of that is to create a mediaeval persona for yourself, with a different name from your "mundane" one. Mine was Searu, adapted from the OE word for "skill, craft or cunning". There are people to this day who do not know my given name. The boyfriend I had at the time (yet another David, is there no end to them!!??) never called me Elizabeth, and did not permit me to call him David. We used only our SCA names. (We notice that this relationship is long, long over!)

In my religion people frequently use names which are different from their given ones. There are, again, people who don't actually know my given name, but who know me by my other name.

As for our names being all that is left, I think it has actually been quite the opposite for most people. Even people who have left works of art have not always left their names - the Housebook Master, the Master ES, the Master of Mary of Burgundy (named for a book of hours he - or she - illuminated) and many, many more recorded simply as "Anonymous".

I changed my name the first time I got married, and Elizabeth Creith disappeared. This Mrs. Daniel Zlatin chick was everywhere. I felt invisible. I changed back. I never, ever called myself by my husband's first name (Daniel is an odd name for a woman) but everybody else seemed to think that's what I should be/wanted to be called.


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Thank you for the greetings and comments. My words were ill-chosen for I was trying to say that the name is the longest-lasting personal thing each of us have. Of course that is quite different from saying that all that is left after death is the name only. Sorry.

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well, will you be surprised to hear the only zest which drove me to change my name was...'i love cats' !

I believe a name should describe our true identity, and should hold ideocyncrasy unique to the individual in question. My previous name was just another common hindu name with age old family name, which i found 'unattractive and reflect conservative Hindu'. I worship ancient Egyptian goddess of cats, Bast (that is my new sir name. Scientific name of domestic cat: "Felis" domesticus and "Felix" the cat motivated me to chose the first name: Felix!

-Felix Bast


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Buderim, no apologies necessary, especially around here! we're all about words. in whatever order or idea. well, mostly...

and welcome Felix! great to have another cat-lover around.



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