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Not as dominant as I had thought: http://snipurl.com/bm76-mq42
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Thanks, Max! This is very interesting, but I'm confused (not unusual, but..). I understood from the first part of the article that putonghua was the Mandarin word for "Mandarin Chinese," but then I read this:
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Moreover, Yin said her dialect gives her a feeling of home, however, she said the use of dialects will not decrease the influence and popularity of putonghua. "It is complementary to Mandarin," she said.
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This wikipedia snippet may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutonghuaIf I'm reading this correctly, the relationship between putonghua and Mandarin has a parallel in Northern India. Hindi is an artifice, created from one major regional language/dialect, called KhariBoli, which was standardised and imposed as a national language. There are many variants of "Hindi", and even the standardised version is still sometimes called KhariBoli, after the (Delhi-based) variant that forms the foundation of standard Hindi. Perhaps there is a similiar relationship between putonghua and Mandrain?
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More and more Chinese nowadays are able to communicate using Chinese Mandarin ... the standard spoken language also known as putonghua.
Agreed, it is confusing, ASp. But I think the confusion is resolved if one understands the words "putonghua" and "Madarin" to have exactly the same meaning.
It's probably the same difference as the difference between "Peking" and "Beijing".
In the passage below which creates the confusion, it is not putonghua which is "complementary", it is "the use of dialects" which is "complementary".
"Yin said her dialect gives her a feeling of home, however, she said the use of dialects will not decrease the influence and popularity of putonghua. "It is complementary to Mandarin," she said."
I understand Yin to mean that speaking her dialect at home and putonghua [Mandarin] at work is equivalent to wearing slippers at home and dress shoes at work. "Complementary" is not the best word to describe that thought, and that adds to the confusion.
Yin's dialect is not really "complementary" to Mandarin, but it is not injurious to Mandarin either.
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I wish jheem were still around...
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I wish jheem were still around...
So do I, ASp.
He would have stated with authority* what I merely surmised.
"The history of the Chinese Language dates back at least 6,000 years. Today, the official language of China is Mandarin Chinese or Putonghua meaning common speech. Historically, Putonghua was the dialect spoken by the majority ethnic group within China, the Han, who make up about 80% of the population. Indeed, the term most commonly used by the Chinese themselves to refer to their language is Hanyu meaning the "Han-language"."
http://www.cctv.com/program/RediscoveringChina/20030326/100838.shtml
* But I wish he were around for other reasons as well, as we all do. We miss him.
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do you wonder why he isn't around?
rumor has it, it got tired of a person posting complaints and nonsense
yes, one person keeps complaining and complaining about how he is 'hampered and mistreated' (somehow--but somehow, he manages to make complaint after complaintunhampered in anyway.)
and this same person fill up bandwidth with post after post of garbage.. quoting himself, and patting himself on the back for being so clever.. (and even brags he is proud that many poster have been driven away.. (meanwhile one of his complaints major complaints is other are driving a way posters--not that there is any proof--in fact, evidence is to the contrary)
but YES, it is a shame and shameful that jheem has been driven away.
this reminds me of the case of the child who kills his parents, and then begs for the courts mercy because he is an orphan.
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I wish jheem were still around...Really? Maybe jheem would still be around if we had been thoughtful enough to stop and wish him a Happy Birthday.  Happy Birthday jheem, you are missed.
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I wish jheem were still around...
So do I, ASp.
and who says Americans don't understand irony...
formerly known as etaoin...
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Damn, is Christmas over?
Someone please go ask jheem what great offence caused his withdrawal from this august board.
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