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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: Why locust? #134746 11/03/04 04:22 AM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park of troy Carpal Tunnel of troy Carpal Tunnel Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park treyf is the hebrew word for 'unclean'--pork is treyf, and so are insects (and insects of the sea--any sea animal with an ecto skeleton) -locust are an exception.. and having a tree and insect with the same name--it might be that the fruit of the tree is really what is being talked about --but i don't know of any vegetable products, from the ground or trees, that aren't kosher--so why locust tree's would be mentioned is kind of strange. some foods are not considered kosher for passover--(and some like chocolate are accepted by some groups, and rejected by others as being acceptable foods for passover!) kosher basicaly means clean-- foods are kosher, and so are kitchens and utensils and other things..(or they are made kosher by real and ritual cleaning!) glatt kosher is kosher to the extreme- here in north east (and in NY in particular) many hebrew and yidish words are part of the lexis. my other obsession Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Why locust? #134747 11/03/04 12:48 PM Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 California J jheem veteran jheem veteran J Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,475 California Adding to what tsuwm and of troy have said: Locust, langouste, and lobster are all ultimately from the Latin locusta 'a marine shell-fish, lobster; locust'. The AHD has this to say etymologically: "Middle English lopster, lobstere, from Old English loppestre, alteration (perhaps influenced by loppe, lobbe, spider)". Latin locusta is thought to come from the PIE root *lek- in words for 'extremities' and 'to bend, flex, jump, leap, hop, fidget'. Our word leg from the Old Norse leggr is related; also Skt r.ks.ala 'ankle joint of ungulates' / 'Fußgelenk bei Huftieren' Pokorny 673. Yiddish treyf means 'unkosher', e.g., pork is always treyf, but a nice brisket could be treyf is it came into contact with dairy food, and otherwise OK meat could be unkosher if it wasn't slaughtered properly or was shot or otherwise had punctured skin. The Yiddish word comes from the Hebrew word TRPhH 'animal torn by wild animals; animal with organic defect; ritually forbidden food' < TRPh 'to tear to pieces; rend, pluck', cf. Arabic tarafa 'it grazed' said of a camel. Locusts are indeed not treyf, but are the only insects I know of that aren't. I remember a funny note in Rashi's commentary on the Torah forbidden French Jews from eating escargot. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,347 Members9,182 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV 9,182 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 818 guests, and 1 robot. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 29 A C Bowden 21 LukeJavan8 2 ddrinnan 1 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 wofahulicodoc 10,548 tsuwm 10,542 LukeJavan8 9,918 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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