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#129047 06/05/04 08:16 PM
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Why shouldn't Castillian Spanish speakers pronounce Barcelona with with a dental fricative. Afterall anglophones pronounce Paris with an /s/ at the end. Saying Barcelona with a lisp is no more pretentious than saying /pa'Ri/


Thanks, jheem. I think the thread has wandered from my original question, which included no accustions of pretentiousness. I asked because most Anglophones who lisp Barcelona likely do so believing it to be the "correct" pronunciation. All I was asking was: If "correct" is defined as "how the locals say it", is it Barthelona, or not? That was all.


#129048 06/05/04 08:49 PM
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OK. Well, not everybody who is a citizen of Barcelona speaks Catalan.


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> not everybody who is a citizen of Barcelona speaks Catalan.

Undoubtedly.


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Or we can send in the mari... well, maybe not

I know an excellent mariachi band that works for *peanuts.


#129051 06/06/04 09:12 PM
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They high-calibre mariachis, Keven?


#129052 06/09/04 02:42 PM
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Oh, shoot! I've been way of target all thse years with what I was told in my salad days : that is that there was a King of Spain who lisped and the Court mimiced his pronunciation so that the lisped pronunciation was actuallly an affectation of the Nobles which gradually oozed into the general population who aped their "betters."
An apocryphal story perhaps?
But then : in England, I was also told, the name of the river Thames was pronounced Tham-es for many years until one of the early Georges called it Tems and so it remains. The oozing into the general population following the same path : King, Nobles, comman man.
Any comment Cap?


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It's pretty much considered a legend. The term for it in Spanish is ceceo.

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/540/handouts/ideology/silvrstn/MSLVRSTN.htm
http://www.phatnav.com/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Lisp_(speech)

I'd never heard the Thames story, and it seems unlikely:

http://www.bartleby.com/61/11/T0141100.html



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T/V??

OK, I know what it means. What do the T and the V stand for?

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I assumed tu 'thou' & vous 'you'.


#129056 06/09/04 05:14 PM
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Yeah, I thought maybe. So why not Þ/Y?


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