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#12369 - 12/19/00 11:30 PM Re: Walla Walla
Bingley Offline
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There's a Pare-Pare in Sulawesi (the island in Indonesia that looks like a disected starfish). There must be others. I'll let you know as I think of them.


#12370 - 12/20/00 03:04 AM Re: Walla Walla
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Which reminds me, I was told as a child that "Pago Pago" is pronounced something like "Pakka Pay-go". Any truth in that, or, if not, any idea where the notion sprang from?

I was there many moons ago. From memory, it was pronounced "Pango Pango". One of the "Pago"s is stronger than the other. Can't remember which one.

The idiot also known as Capfka ...

#12371 - 12/20/00 04:10 AM Re: Walla Walla
NicholasW Offline

Registered: 12/18/00
Posts: 393
Loc: London
I don't know the significance of repetition in the Aboriginal languages concerned - my completely uninformed guess would be a plural.

Not as such, in any one I've come across. (As opposed to e.g. Malay-Indonesian, anak-anak = 'children'.) Aboriginal languages typically don't have plurality in nouns. Reduplication has some morphological function, clearly, but in odd ways, e.g. names of colours in Bidyara if I remember rightly.

Pago Pago is Samoan, so the <g> is nasal [N] as in <singer>. Samoan forms plurals of some nouns, but with a variety of means: reduplicated syllable, vowel lengthening.

If the two <a>s are different, perhaps one is long: as in <pucker> vs <parker>, but I don't know.

#12372 - 12/20/00 04:58 AM Re: crowd noise
shanks Offline
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Hello BYB. You said: A tiffin wallah is someone who delivers tiffin to office workers. Where is Shanks when you need him?

Indeed you are right there, though in Bombay we most usually called them dabbah-wallahs (Dabbah being a contraction of tiffin-dabbah, itself meaning tiffin-box.)

I also posted a bit about tiffin in a thread called Food for Thought under Wordplay and Fun. Since I don't know the 'short' version of post references here, I won't actually try to make a url of it, but any search on tiffin, over the last three months, should turn it up.


the sunshine warrior

#12373 - 12/20/00 05:42 AM Re: Reduplicative place names
NicholasW Offline

Registered: 12/18/00
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Loc: London
can anyone think of other reduplicative place names? I can think of three others.

There's a Bora Bora in the Pacific somewhere, isn't there?

Dum Dum, where the bullets came from, near Kolkata.

Sing Sing where the convicts go.

Kwekwe in Zimbabwe, formerly Que Que; and Xai Xai in Mozambique, formerly Beira I think, and Tete also there.

I think there's a Kukukuku tribe in Papua New Guinea: there's a Malak-Malak language from northern Australia.

#12374 - 12/20/00 06:21 AM Re: Reduplicative place names
NicholasW Offline

Registered: 12/18/00
Posts: 393
Loc: London
Ooh, serendipity. From a news article today on unrest in the Central African Republic:
In reply to:

The opposition leaders, party officials and hundreds of supporters turned up at Bangui's Bonga-Bonga stadium in spite of the ban, but were met by riot police who ordered them to disperse.

When they refused, police reportedly fired tear-gas canisters and live ammunition, causing a stampede during which several protesters were injured.

Good thing they were only injured. I've heard the old death option can be quite nasty.

#12375 - 12/20/00 04:47 PM Re: Reduplicative place names
Faldage Offline
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NW offers: Sing Sing where the convicts go.

Sing Sing is the name of the prison. It's located in Ossining, NY.

Course there's always Torpenhow Hill, in England, but that's a little off track.

#12376 - 12/20/00 05:11 PM Re: Torpenhow Hill
jmh Offline

Registered: 03/22/00
Posts: 1981
Amazing, Faldage

I'd never heard of it and yet I've been to that area lots of times. Its not far from Rhubarb Commando country. We'll have to put it on the shortlist for an AWAD gathering one of these days.


#12377 - 12/21/00 10:57 AM Sing Sing
TEd Remington Offline
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Sing Sing isn't really the name of the prison, but is just a nickname, I think. They nicked the name from the name of the town. BTW, I noticed that the house the Clintons bought in NY is about five miles from the prison. Should make it convenient for Hillary on visiting days.

Actually someone told me the other day they already sold the house as they are (or at least she is) looking for a house in the DC area now that she's got a new job.


#12378 - 12/21/00 12:57 PM Re: Torpenhow Hill
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Local Ithaca area philanthropist et al. Roy Park recently had a park named after him. In a related story, Cornell University has a building named Anabel Taylor Hall and commonly referred to as Annie Hall.

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