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#119671 - 01/14/04 09:26 PM Re: Grail  
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David je suis sr que vous savez que le graal n'est pas un endroit et vous ne pouvez pas tre un compte d'un objet. Je suis dit de voir que vous n'avez pas su cela. Aussi j'ai apprci un droit de passage takers nol vous devez crire encore

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#119672 - 01/14/04 09:38 PM Re: Grail  
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Comte,
What's the Czech word for "troll"?


#119673 - 01/14/04 10:02 PM Re: Grail [spoilers for HB, HG!]  
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Americans have a very differnt idea of what most of the peope I talk to belive it is. We are quite certian here that is no cup.

I gave a couple of choices besides cup. Let's see what R S Loomis, an arthurian scholar, has to say: "The Grail may be described as the dish from which Christ ate the Passover lamb at the last supper; or as the chalice of the first sacrament, in which later the Savior's blood was caught as it flowed from his wounded body; or as a stone with miraculous feeding and youth-preserving virtues; or as a salver containing a man's head, swimming in blood. It may be borne through a castle hall by a beautiful damsel; or it may float through the air in Arthur's palace, veiled in white samite; or it may be placed on a table in the East, together with a freshly caught fish, and serve as a talisman to distinguish the chaste from the unchaste. Its custodian may be called Bron or Anfortas or Pelles or Joseph of Arimethia or simply the 'Fisher King'." [Loomis, The Grail: From Celtic Myth to Christian Symbol, p.2]

So, you see, it could be a lot of things. In the end, it is unknowable, but folks sure do like to talk and write about. And there is a big difference between what people think something is and what it may or may not be. Ask most people who Cinderella is and you get the Disney version of the Charles Perrault story. There are more than a hundred versions of this folktale. BTW, in the original Perrault version the the step sister cuts off her toe to fit into the slipper, and there's still a controversy about the vair/ver/verre slipper being made of glass or fur.


#119674 - 01/15/04 01:36 AM Re: Grail  
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the word for troll is

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#119675 - 01/15/04 01:42 AM Re: three billy goats, gruff...  
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Old MacDonald had a farm,
,
and on his farm...



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#119676 - 01/15/04 02:42 AM Re: three billy goats, gruff...  
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sorry I did not know that would not support other keys

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#119677 - 01/15/04 11:33 AM Re: three billy goats, gruff...  
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that's ok, mathman, I just saw that string of letters and the old saw came to mind...



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#119678 - 01/16/04 01:43 PM Re: Grail  
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vous ne pouvez pas tre un compte d'un objet. - le compte d'un objet, c'est un (1). C'est vite compt, Monsieur le comte.


#119679 - 01/16/04 01:56 PM Re: Grail  
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I kind of guessed that French wasn't his first language. And I have a feeling that Czech isn't either.

#119680 - 01/16/04 02:05 PM ESL  
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I taught English as a Second Language for many years. I also speak other languages. So I am fairly well acquainted with errors made by students. I have a lot of trouble believing that this post:

I am reading a book in english with the title "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and I was hoping that some of you fine english speaking folks would give me an idea of with the word grail means to the English speaker.

and this one:

Americans have a very differnt idea of what most of the peope I talk to belive it is. We are quite certian here that is no cup. This is very interestiing.. I finished the book and it was a good read I wunder where these men get there ideas from. I cannot prove them wrogn but it would be interesting to see how much one could prove.

were both committed by the same person who says he's been learning English for a year now. The first is perfect (except for capitalization); the second has mostly spelling errors; grammar and syntax are fine.

What's the story, Count?


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