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#115868 - 11/14/03 11:17 AM Re: Begging the question
shanks Offline
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Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 1004
Loc: London, UK
Now then, now then, now then! This is not a philosophy discussion. Go to www.factsforum.org if you want that sort of fun. I'll see you there!

Also, my 'dialogue' was illustrative of a form of argument, and a fallacy associated with it. I could (almost) just as easily have turned it on its head and made the evolution-champion guilty of assuming the antecedent.


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#115869 - 11/14/03 11:32 AM Re: Begging the question
Faldage Offline
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Registered: 12/01/00
Posts: 13803
Or either you could have pointed out that JW had reduced his argument to the absurd.

I like that assuming the antecedent. I can live with that as a name for the fallacy. I'll have to check on the relative dates of the various definitions of beg. The only time I've heard the word question used in this sense is in the phrase call the question in legislative debate.

#115870 - 11/14/03 11:43 AM Re: Begging the question
shanks Offline
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Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 1004
Loc: London, UK
Or, indeed, that his argument had become tautologous (or circular) and hence wasn't an argument at all. (Though, of course, according to Ayer and all them thar Logical Positivists, a tautology was something positively to rejoice at, with mathematics and logic giving the dear boys multiples. Shows how fashions in philosophy change, eh?)


the sunshine warrior

#115871 - 11/19/03 04:53 PM Re: Begging the question
Capfka Offline

Registered: 06/28/02
Posts: 1624
Loc: Utter Placebo, Planet Reebok
This is a yart, although I must admit that the discussion this time around has been intelligent and to the point. Faldo and Shanks have excelled themselves. Isn't it time, then, that the thread wandered off into recipe swapping or something? I'd hate to see a precedent set - sticking to the point - but I don't think that I'm begging the question; merely citing Board history in support of my assertion!

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