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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 #115744 - 11/12/03 07:41 PM "have got"?   Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 180 gift horse member gift horse   member Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 180 Austin, TX Is using "have got" together really proper? It seems redundant to me and doesn't sound correct, yet I observe journalists using this quite often. Instead of: "They've got the best idea." Why not: "They have the best idea." ? #115745 - 11/12/03 07:47 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 maahey addict maahey   addict Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 to my mind... have got an idea - probably implies obtaining help from outside apart from one's own effort have an idea - implies pure creativity. An idea that is truly self inspired. Any takers? #115746 - 11/12/03 07:53 PM It's hoi polloi time again   Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,004 shanks old hand shanks   old hand Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,004 London, UK Hey you! I remember from my youth being told that 'only the lower classes' (they didn't mince words in my youth) use 'have got'. This didn't, I suspect, stop Shakespeare and other luminaries using it whenever they felt it appropriate (Shakespeare's an easy one, since he happily broke anything we consider a grammatical rule). cheer the sunshine warrior #115747 - 11/12/03 11:16 PM Re: have too got class   Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 Zed Pooh-Bah Zed   Pooh-Bah Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,154 British Columbia, Canada I may be lower but I have got class. Seriously ,tho' we do use have to modify the tense of other verbs (I have been using it), why not this one? #115748 - 11/13/03 05:50 AM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta 'Have got' always indicates possession, but 'have' need not do so. For example: She's got a bath (not just a shower) v. She has a bath (every morning). Bingley Bingley #115749 - 11/13/03 12:39 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 36 dellfarmer newbie dellfarmer   newbie Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 36 Vermont (US) I agree with Bingly here. "Have got" should imply possession or receipt. People often say, for example, "I've got a cold," but, grammatically speaking, they'd be more correct to say "I have a cold." In a slightly different context, one might say, for example, "I was with my ailing nephew, and now I've gotten a cold." Note, however that one would use "gotten" here, instead of got. Similarly, I think, one might say, "I got it in the mail," to express receipt of a letter; but one could say, "I have gotten it in the mail," to imply that the letter is now in possession of the lettercarrier. Occasionally, I think, it's fairly common usage to use have got for emphasis, as in: "You have GOT to be kidding!" The 'have got' construction has been around forever. I remember the old TV program I've Got A Secret. When we were learning our grammar, way back then, I called this to my teacher's attention and, though she was a pretty strict grammarian herself, she admitted that this had escaped her notice, gave me extra points for my vigilance. Interestingly enough, the show was sponsored by a cigarette company (yes, I'm that old), whose catch-phrase was "Winston tastes good, like a cigarette should". This, of course, should be: ...as a cigarette should. But I digress. Ron. Ron. #115750 - 11/13/03 12:53 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic   Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York For me, it's more of a mouth feel thing; seems the distinction is losing ground. Also, at the risk of starting Revolutionary War III, would it be fair to say that Brits use "have got" a lot more often, and in more contexts, than us North American colonials? And what about y'all antipodean up-overs? #115751 - 11/13/03 03:36 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,692 dxb Pooh-Bah dxb   Pooh-Bah Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,692 UK As the doughty sunshine warrior (??) says, we were taught at school that ‘got’ used in this sense was redundant and not proper usage. “He told me to get it, so I got it” was just about acceptable, but rather an ugly construction and it was safest to avoid ‘got’ altogether. It is, nevertheless, frequently used. ‘Gotten’ is strictly US usage and I don’t think I have heard it used here in the UK other than in fun. #115752 - 11/13/03 04:16 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,004 shanks old hand shanks   old hand Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,004 London, UK Agree - gotten, though of respectable provenance (I understand), is not used by UKians. And 'got' appears to have been creamed by cod snobbery. Just as you are unlikely ever to see the word 'me' in business letters - all the anxious arrivistes use 'myself'. Bless. cheer the sunshine "more doughy than doughty" warrior #115753 - 11/13/03 05:14 PM Re: "have got"?   Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 maahey addict maahey   addict Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 555 Is no one other than me (sorry shanks, ..myself ) getting a strong feeling of 'procure' with 'have got'? Page 1 of 5 1 2 3 4 5 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------   Information and announcements   Q&A about words   Wordplay and fun   Words and languages in schools   Miscellany   Weekly Themes   Looking for (writers, speakers, ...) (Old) Weekly themes. 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