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#115584 11/15/03 03:27 PM
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Dear etaoin: hijack every time you have an inspiration to, if you have something that may interest others.


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We dress it up and mess it up. Depressing.


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Dear WW: better a little refreshing chaos, than stultifying etiquette.


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Refreshing chaos, wwh? Have you been in my car recently?


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I haven't seen these trees, but maybe I'll make a trip down there one day...
http://timesargus.com/Regional_News/Story/74653.html




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Yes, I like the black gum tree very much. The leaves are oval, rather thick and shiny, and they turn a gorgeous deep red in the fall. Ever since learning that they are sometimes called pepperidge trees, Pepperidge Farm has become a bit more intriguing as a place to me and I've wondered whether there are many black gum trees there.

We only have one black gum in our grove, and it is as tall as our tallest 150-year-old white oaks, but its girth is definitely smaller. However, the woods is peppered with very small specimens of black gum.


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I thought Pepperidge Farm was a company that made biscuits and lovely swirly bread. What is the one that you are referring to, WW? Is the company named for a place?

And talking about our environmental callousness; last month's cover issue of MotherJones, was on, the 'Ungreening of America'. Totally worth a read. I don't know that the articles are available online in their entirety, but I shall post a link...
http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2003/09/we_531_01.html


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Dear etaoin: a phenomenon that might interest you. I can't remember the name of the town, but it is about halfway from
Boston to NH border,where I saw a large area containing small saplings of the edible chestnut trees that had tops killed a hundred years ago by an imported disease. The trees were huge, and roots did not die, but put out saplings that cannot grow more than a few feet before the disease kills them back.Tragic.




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yyes, pepperridge farms is a now commercial bread company.

it was started by a woman who moved from NYC neighborhood with lots of small bakeries, and fresh bread, to Conneticut a place of grocery chains with 'wonderbread'crap bread.

she started a bakery at her home, and it grew into a big company.. PF bread is still different, (better) than most 'store bought bread'-though not as good as bakery or homemade bread.

her company took its name from her 'farm' which was named for the pepperridge tree at the front gate.i don't know if she sold the company, or built it up herself. the company started middle of last century.

i had a pepperridge tree on my property (last year when i lived in house). i loved the beautiful color it turned in the fall, a lovely crimsom, and it held the leaves for a while. i had, long ago, a smoke tree-- which had lovely color.. -golden leaves- for about 7 minutes. the leaves would color one day, and drop the next! i didn't like where it was planted (it blocked a view) and it never flowered (which was supposed to be its 'value') and its fall foliage, while beautiful, was much to ephemerial for my taste.

i lived on Beechknoll Ave-- and the short (1 block long) street did have several beechtrees. and a lovely 'sweet gum' tree, too. queens has a lovely variety of street/landscaping trees.. an early settler (a Mr Parsons) specialized in exotic trees. many of the original stock have self propogated, so that weepy beech, (normal a rare variety of beech) is a almost common(i know of at least a half dozen grown in a small part of queens)
Libernium trees are also 'common'--(these are sometimes called 'golden chain trees' they have flowers that look similar to wisteria, only they flowers are golden yellow. the seed pods, smell almondy, they are full of cynide, and poisonous.




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Can anyone tell me how to judge ages of palm trees? I see many 40 to 50 feet tall, but have been unable to find any local resident who has been here long enough to have any idea of the ages of the palms. I've had no luck searching on Internet. Here is a URL treehuggers might enjoy:
http://www.botanik.uni-bonn.de/conifers/topics/oldest.htm


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