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#114836 10/31/03 01:16 PM
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Check out http://www.google.com and the logo they have for Oct. 31. They are a creative group!
Booo !
Happy Halloween!


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Oh, that's great! Thank you, and a Happy Halloween to you!
That reminds me--didn't we discuss on here, one time, the origin of Halloween? Could some kind soul find it for me, or just tell me, please? I would like to enlighten my son.


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Jackie, my best guess is that it's a conflation of the Celtic Samhain and the Catholic All Saints Day (Day of the Dead), which is an especially big holiday in Mexico. I'm sure others will be able to shed more detailed light.

Madam Wow, thanks for pointing that out! I don't use google every single day, so I might have missed it.

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Mm--thanks, Anna. I put Samhain (which I, in my ignorance, pronounce exactly as it looks to me: sam {as in the name} hain {rhymes with pain}) into wow's link--appropriate, wasn't it!-- and found:
Samhain marks one of the two great doorways of the Celtic year, for the Celts divided the year into two seasons: the light and the dark, at Beltane on May 1st and Samhain on November 1st. Some believe that Samhain was the more important festival, marking the beginning of a whole new cycle, just as the Celtic day began at night. For it was understood that in dark silence comes whisperings of new beginnings, the stirring of the seed below the ground. Whereas Beltane welcomes in the summer with joyous celebrations at dawn, the most magically potent time of this festival is November Eve, the night of October 31st, known today of course, as Halloween.

Samhain (Scots Gaelic: Samhuinn) literally means “summer's end.” In Scotland and Ireland, Halloween is known as Oíche Shamhna, while in Wales it is Nos Calan Gaeaf, the eve of the winter's calend, or first. ...Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry of celebrations from Oct 31st through November 5th...

http://www.celticspirit.org/samhain.htm
I like the ourtrageousness of the word gallimaufry--it's just so in-your-face, I-don't-care-if-you-don't-know-my-meaning. Here's what Gurunet has for it:
gal·li·mau·fry (găl'ə-mô'frē)
n., pl. -fries.

A jumble; a hodgepodge.

[French galimafrée, from Old French galimafree, sauce, ragout : probably galer, to make merry; see gallant + mafrer, to gorge oneself (from Middle Dutch moffelen, to open one's mouth wideof imitative origin).]





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> I put Samhain (which I, in my ignorance, pronounce exactly as it looks to me: sam {as in the name} hain {rhymes with pain})

I used to do the same, Jackie. Because it was here that I learned its correct pronunciation, I tried using it in a pun some weeks ago, but, not only did its intended recipient miss the pun, a typo in a post explaining the pun was presumed by that person to be a Maaori word. The only thing worse than having to explain a joke is having the explanation go worng.


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I'd love to hear you pronounce it, max.



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Well, I normally pronounce it SOW-in (ow rhymes with plough).


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ow rhymes with plough

pluff? ploo? plow?

I put the italics on the wrong word. it should have read:
I would like to hear you pronounce it...



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Gee, etaoin, why didn't you just say so?
http://maxqnz.com/samhain.mp3


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thanks!!

I'm starting a collection...



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