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Check out http://www.google.com and the logo they have for Oct. 31. They are a creative group! Booo ! Happy Halloween!
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Oh, that's great! Thank you, and a Happy Halloween to you!
That reminds me--didn't we discuss on here, one time, the origin of Halloween? Could some kind soul find it for me, or just tell me, please? I would like to enlighten my son.
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Jackie, my best guess is that it's a conflation of the Celtic Samhain and the Catholic All Saints Day (Day of the Dead), which is an especially big holiday in Mexico. I'm sure others will be able to shed more detailed light.
Madam Wow, thanks for pointing that out! I don't use google every single day, so I might have missed it.
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Mm--thanks, Anna. I put Samhain (which I, in my ignorance, pronounce exactly as it looks to me: sam {as in the name} hain {rhymes with pain}) into wow's link--appropriate, wasn't it!-- and found:
Samhain marks one of the two great doorways of the Celtic year, for the Celts divided the year into two seasons: the light and the dark, at Beltane on May 1st and Samhain on November 1st. Some believe that Samhain was the more important festival, marking the beginning of a whole new cycle, just as the Celtic day began at night. For it was understood that in dark silence comes whisperings of new beginnings, the stirring of the seed below the ground. Whereas Beltane welcomes in the summer with joyous celebrations at dawn, the most magically potent time of this festival is November Eve, the night of October 31st, known today of course, as Halloween.
Samhain (Scots Gaelic: Samhuinn) literally means “summer's end.” In Scotland and Ireland, Halloween is known as Oíche Shamhna, while in Wales it is Nos Calan Gaeaf, the eve of the winter's calend, or first. ...Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry of celebrations from Oct 31st through November 5th... http://www.celticspirit.org/samhain.htmI like the ourtrageousness of the word gallimaufry--it's just so in-your-face, I-don't-care-if-you-don't-know-my-meaning. Here's what Gurunet has for it:
gal·li·mau·fry (găl'ə-mô'frē)
n., pl. -fries.
A jumble; a hodgepodge.
[French galimafrée, from Old French galimafree, sauce, ragout : probably galer, to make merry; see gallant + mafrer, to gorge oneself (from Middle Dutch moffelen, to open one's mouth wideof imitative origin).]
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> I put Samhain (which I, in my ignorance, pronounce exactly as it looks to me: sam {as in the name} hain {rhymes with pain}) I used to do the same, Jackie. Because it was here that I learned its correct pronunciation, I tried using it in a pun some weeks ago, but, not only did its intended recipient miss the pun, a typo in a post explaining the pun was presumed by that person to be a Maaori word. The only thing worse than having to explain a joke is having the explanation go worng. 
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I'd love to hear you pronounce it, max. 
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Well, I normally pronounce it SOW-in (ow rhymes with plough).
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ow rhymes with ploughpluff? ploo? plow?  I put the italics on the wrong word. it should have read: I would like to hear you pronounce it...
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Gee, etaoin, why didn't you just say so? http://maxqnz.com/samhain.mp3
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thanks!! I'm starting a collection...
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I will not vouch for any part of this; but I received it in my e-mail today and will pass it along:
The History of Halloween in America
The Irish brought the holiday to the United States in the 1840's. Americans adopted the Jack-o'-lantern, a tradition started in Ireland as a result of folklore. The folk legend goes that Jack, a troublemaking old miser, trapped Satan in a tree and forced him to promise he'd never tempt Jack again. But upon his death, Jack found he couldn't get into heaven because of his earlier sins, or the underworld because of the trick he had played on Satan. So Jack was forced to walk the earth for eternity with only a coal in a hollowed-out turnip to light his way. Thus was born "Jack of the lantern," or the jack-o'-lantern.
Special decorations went up using colors that reflect the ancient origins: orange signifying harvest and black signifying death. Skeletons were added from the Day of the Dead festival celebrated in Mexico. Candy was chosen over soul cakes, costumes became funny as well as scary,
The first card made its appearance in 1920. In 1950, a group of Sunday school children decided to trick-or-treat for money for needy children rather than candy. They raised and donated $17.00 and started the tradition of trick-or-treating for UNICEF.
Halloween appears to be here to stay, so let the haunting begin
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Well it's 10:17 and Halloween is finished! Not enough kiddies came to the house this year. Well, let me rephrase that...not enough kiddies came to finish off all the candy we got. My Hubby very kindly offered to polish of the mini chocolate bars. Ain't he a peach 
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Halloween (and t-o-t) is slowly gaining acceptance here, but faces both its lack of traditional significance, and a backlash against what is seen as US cultural imperialism. Last year, I saw maybe three groups of kids out, this year maybe five. None came here, which was disappointing as I had determined to give the requested treats conditionally, to any who could spell and say the original Celtic name of the festival. Sadly, I never got the chance.
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Max! I love that and am sorry you didn't have your chance. As we Cubs fans say, wait till next year. And JohnH, sounds about right to me.
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ARRRGGGHHHH Noooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!
Max, you can't become one of those neighbours that humiliate the kiddies by making them jump through hoops to get the candy.
"Tu'm chante tu une tit chanson" (will you sing me a little song) was the phrase all kiddies dreaded to hear when they rang a doorbell.
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Hi JH; yes, that fits with what we saw on the History Channel last night. It talked about how it originated with the Celts. They showed a modern-day pagan ritual that made me laugh out loud; then they showed a fundamentalist Christian saying why his church was against the holiday, which also made me laugh out loud, until they showed the "haunted house" the church had: full of scenarios of people suffering for eternity due to various sins--then I stopped laughing abruptly. (NOTE: I am not inviting a religious debate, here. If anyone wants to know why I laughed, or has any comment, please PM me.)
The show went on to say that the Puritans in what was to become the U.S. were dead-set against it, because they associated it with Catholicism and the Church of England. But some of the southern states, primarily Virginia, had been settled by people of these 2 faiths, and so Halloween was kept alive here, and had some of the same things we have today, such as costumes and bobbing for apples. Oh, that reminds me: I was grateful to the pagan guy for explaining that the apple was the ancient sacred symbol of the harvest; the link I put above left me in the dark, on that. Then the show went on to where your message started, John, with the influx of Irish bringing the celebration and fun with them. They had been carving turnips, but found pumpkins much easier.
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And we talked about carving turnips here last Halloween, wasn't it? Or Halloween before last? Pumpkins might be easier, but, heavens, a carved turnip, no matter how large, just wouldn't be as pretty.
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What follows is from OneLook's word of the day (most requested on the site today):
Samhain is the winter season of the ancient Celts. The Celts divided the year into four quarters: Samhain (winter), Imbolc (spring), Beltane (summer), and Lughnasadh (autumn). The Celtic year began in November, with Samhain.
Interesting to think about the beginning of the year being a fallow, cold time--a darker time of year. Kind of like the embryo or fetus in darkness.
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>Interesting to think about the beginning of the year being a fallow, cold time...
yeah, nothing at all like beginning the year in January.
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In reply to:
Interesting to think about the beginning of the year being a fallow, cold time...
yeah, nothing at all like beginning the year in January.
Damn straight! It's nothing like starting the year in the baking sunshine of January.
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You just didn't understand the point I was trying to make. It is interesting that the year should begin in the coldest, darkest time of year.
The Japanese begin their year in the spring, which makes a lot more sense to me.
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> It is interesting that the year should begin in the coldest, darkest time of year. It doesn't.
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WW, the earth is shaped like a pumpkin...
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>You just didn't understand the point I was trying to make. It is interesting that the year should begin in the coldest, darkest time of year.
<sigh> but, of course, I did -- here on the frozen tundra, January 20 is on average the coldest day of the coldest month, and the darkest day (or at least the longest night) is December 21/22. (yes, the cold lags the dark by about a month.)
the year *does begin in the coldest, darkest time of year.
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I don't understand why everybody's gone and gotten all so technical on me. I was just thinking in general terms. Seems the Japanese have it better. The cherry blossoms bloom and it's the beginning of the year. That makes wonderful sense to me--and all this solstice, darkest, coldest calculating kind of ways of figuring out beginnings seems bleak somehow.
I know the earth's shaped like a pumpkin, et', and a mishapen pumpkin at that. And I realize those people on the other end have their consciousness of seasons opposite to those of us who live at my own end. If this board teaches one nothing else, it is people at the other end like to rub it in that they're at the top of the world. I suppose they are at least during winter when they run around in their t-shirts and shorts. This whole discussion is Samhain else, ain't it.
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Samhain else
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>Sowin else? I don't get it. 
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I don't understand why everybody's gone and gotten all so technical on me.
I knew what you meant, WW, and I agree with you.
This year, I must admit that we have had such a marvellous late summer and autumn that the tree colours are quite amazing (no need to go to New England to leaf-peep) and if the year ended at Halloween then it would at least have gone out in a blaze of glory. Thing is it looks like carrying on that way for a while into the Celtic new year.
We need lots of rain this winter.
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Wait, I thought the world was shaped like a pear. That's what they taught us in school?!
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No it just seems to have gone pear-shaped some days.
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oblique spheroid is the correct term, I believe. I was just trying to give the concept of a sphere a topical twist. the whole southern/northern hemisphere idea needs a little mentioning now and then...
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Oblate, I always thunk it was.
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oblique spheroid Oblate spheroid, as I recall from Hogwash # whatever-it-was.... edit: There I go again, a minute late and a mantle short... Second edit: It was "Round September 02". http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=wordplay&Number=81502
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And I just realized that if Greenwich is a longitude 0 then part of England is in the eastern hemisphere!!
I don't know why this strikes me as so odd, where I live we fly due west to get to the "Far East" and north east to get to Western Europe.
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ah, oblate it is. too much pie, I guess... o-bladi-o-blada...
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oblique spheroid or oblate spheroid...don't be trying to confuse me with your wordy shinanigans...
What is it, pumpkin or pear shaped?
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From et's link above:
Models are representations of objects that aid in our understanding. If we were to choose a scale model of the Earth, what objects would make a good miniature Earth? We might be tempted to choose an oblate object to show the true shape, but that would be inaccurate! Since the Earth is so slightly oblate, and the Earth's relief is so insignificant in comparison with its size, the best scale models of the Earth would actually be very round and very smooth. Billiard balls, marbles, ping pong balls, and other smooth spheres are the best representation of the Earth's true appearance.
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Ever the prescriptivist, I wouldn't dare post a reference to a site that began "The Earth is not a perfect sphere. Due to it's rotation..."
And this is a Regents examination preparatory center, no less (though not affiliated with the NYS Board of Regents).
Copyright © 1999-2003 Oswego City School District Regents Exam Prep Center
...RegentsPrep and StudyZone are FREE educational resources.
I guess you get what you pay for.
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Good for you, Wof'!!!
So, do we take everything they write as being inaccurate because they weren't paying attention to their possessive case personal pronouns? (I am being absurd here, for the record.)
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I saw that, wofa. [head-shaking e] Maybe he was indoctrinated by that Save the Apostrophe guy...
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I wouldn't dare post a referenceow! ow! ok! hey, ok! ow! I've learned my lesson! ow! hey, stop with the noodle, awright?
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Don't you know the difference between a noodle and a bus ticket yet? No wonder they stopped Concorde. You can take only so much pollution ...
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Psst, CK--check Weekly Themes.
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Jeez! I leave for awhile and everything goes pear shaped! Here's what I was taught in Catholic school: All Hallows is an old way of saying All Saints (Hallowed-Holy) All Hallows Eve is the evening before All Saints Day on Nov. 1st - hence October 31st - All Hallows Eve - becomes Halloween. Even OED agrees with me ... those clever devils! As for The Day of the Dead - here's what I Googled: The original celebration can be traced to the festivities held during the Aztec month of Miccailhuitontli, ritually presided by the goddess Mictecacihuatl ("Lady of the Dead"), and dedicated to children and the dead. The rituals during this month also featured a festivity dedicated to the major Aztec war deity, Huitzilopochtli ("Sinister Hummingbird"). In the Aztec calendar, this ritual fell roughly at the end of the Gregorian month of July and the beginning of August, but in the postconquest era it was moved by Spanish priests so that it coincided with the Christian holiday of All Hallows Eve (in Spanish: "Día de Todos Santos,") in a vain effort to transform this from a "profane" to a Christian celebration. The result is that Mexicans now celebrate the day of the dead during the first two days of November, rather than at the beginning of summer, but remember the dead they still do, and the modern festivity is characterized by the traditional Mexican blend of ancient aboriginal and introduced Christian features.
Generalizing broadly, the day's activities consist of visits by families to the graves of their close kin. At the gravesites family members engage in sprucing up the gravesite, decorating it with flowers, setting out and enjoying a picnic, and interacting socially with other family and community members who gather at the cemetary. Families remember the departed by telling stories about them. The meals prepared for these picnics are sumptuous, usually featuring meat dishes in spicy sauces, a special egg-batter bread, cookies, chocolate, and sugary confections in a variety of animal or skull shapes. Gravesites or family altars are profusely decorated with flowers (primarily large, bright flowers such as marigolds and crysanthemums), and adorned with religious amulets and (in smaller villages) with offerings of food, cigarettes and alcoholic beverages. Because of this warm social environment, the colorful setting, and the abundance of food, drink and good company this conmmemoration of the dead has pleasant overtones for most observers, in spite of the open fatalism exhibited by all participants, whose festive interaction with living and dead in an important social ritual is a way of recognizing the cycle of life and death that is human existance.You can read the whole thing at http://
www.public.iastate.edu/~rjsalvad/scmfaq/muertos.htmlSounds like an exuberant version of our Memorial Day!
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