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#113696 - 10/15/03 01:30 AM The Tables Have Turned  
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I have only skimmed through the past 500 threads, but could not find something addressing a question put to me. I hope I haven't been too shortsighted and thus am reopening a topic that has already been posted to death (a horrible way to go, by the way).

An etymology not on a word, but rather the phrase, "the tables have turned".

Also, somewhat off the subject, but I'm new here and was wondering why Jackie's name is the only one in red, and why is it?


The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd

#113697 - 10/15/03 04:12 AM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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Our first poster from the next world. Greetings. As you will no doubt know, Victorian mediums went in for table-turning, but I suspect the phrase is somewhat older than that.

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#113698 - 10/15/03 10:07 AM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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welcome Arge, Jackie is special, and pretty in pink.

from brewers

Table-turning.The turning of tables without the application of mechanical force, which in the early days of spiritualism was commonly practised at seances and sank to the level of a parlour trick. it was said by some to be the work of departed spirits, and by others due to a force akin to MESMERISM.
Turn the tables, To. To reverse the conditions or relations, as, for instance, to rebut a charge by bringing forth a counter-charge. The phrase comes from the old custom of reversing the table or board, in games such as CHESS or DRAUGHTS, so that the opponents relative position is altogether changed.

from brewers 1894 hypertext ed

Turning the tables. Rebutting a charge by bringing forth a counter-charge. Thus, if a husband accuses his wife of extravagance in dress, she “turns the tables upon him” by accusing him of extravagance in his, club. The Romans prided themselves on their tables made of citron wood from Mauritania, inlaid with ivory, and sold at a most extravagant price- some equal to a senator's income. When the gentlemen accused the ladies of extravagance, the ladies retorted by reminding the gentlemen of what they spent in tables. Pliny calls this taste of the Romans mensarum insania.
It is also used for “audi alteram partem,” and the allusion is then slightly modified- “We have considered the wife's extravagance; let us now look to the husband's.”

“We will now turn the tables, and show the hexameters in all their vigour.”- The Times.



#113699 - 10/15/03 12:35 PM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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Thank you so very much, dodyskin. I have been asked that question before, and never could come up with something authentic in answer aside from the failsafe "I don't know".

Uhm... at the risk of exposing more of my profound ignorance... uh... who's "Arge"?



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#113700 - 10/15/03 12:48 PM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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uh... who's "Arge"?
it's a nickname for Andrew, you'll receive a few more until an unspoken consensus is reached and then you're stuck with it.
dody


#113701 - 10/15/03 12:57 PM Re: Nickname  
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*if it weren't for his present state of being, the anticipation of seeing what the eventual results of this are would be killing him*

"Greater indeed are pleasures that are shared."

#113702 - 10/15/03 01:40 PM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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"why Jackie's name is the only one in red"
Why don't you write and ask me?


#113703 - 10/15/03 05:13 PM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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Jackie, are you back to flirting with the new comer's again?

Don't mind her, Andy, pretty, smart, personable girls like her are common as hens teeth! oh, and modest, did i forgt modest? next thing you know, she'll be telling you she is the mother of teen-agers, and all sorts of other malarky!

Jackie's name is in red, cause she makes every day a red letter day around here! Thats reason enough!
feeling miscievous today, i couldn't help myself!


#113704 - 10/15/03 09:55 PM The Lady in Red  
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You ask why Jackie is the lady in red:


'Twas a cold winter's evening,
The guests were all leaving,
O'Leary was closing the bar
When he turned and he said to the lady in red,
"Get out, you can't stay where you are."

She wept a sad tear in her bucket of beer,
As she thought of the cold night ahead,
When a gentleman dapper
Stepped out of the crapper,
And these are the words that he said:

"Her mother never told her
The things a young girl should know
About the ways of college men,
And how they come and go (mostly go);
Now Age has taken her beauty,
And sin has left its sad scar,
So remember your mothers and sisters, boys,
Let Nellie sleep under the bar."



#113705 - 10/16/03 12:28 AM Re: The Tables Have Turned  
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Well Helen, seems like I've arrived at the right place then . It's amazing how many people are downright opposed, based on some vague morale basis, to flirting with the deceased. I'm glad to find out that the whole world hasn't gone wacko on me. *nods to himself in appreciative affirmation*



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