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#112143 - 09/18/03 03:44 PM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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bel - I think this is somewhat like speed-reading. I took a speed-reading course in high school, and one of the main objects was to look at phrases, sentences, and longer words. We were supposed to skip the little words and not really focus on individual words, as much as possible. The comprenhension results were pretty amazing, as I recall, but is was not recommended to use speed-reading for technical or math-related subjects.



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#112144 - 09/18/03 04:26 PM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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not recommended to use speed-reading for technical or math-related subjects
Yeah, you really wouldn't want to skip over "First, shut off the power", now, would you?


#112145 - 09/24/03 01:23 PM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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aoprmpmhohripoc
hlutanlicae
eahepnlt
cmsiounmt
gaunalldr

These all unscramble except the first one. Was that a test?


Yeah, that's right! I read this as anthropomorphic until JH made his post. Now I can get nothing from it except a sense of deep confusion.


#112146 - 09/24/03 03:00 PM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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I find it's okay as long as you don't look at them too hard... but I completely forgot the last one and I kept seeing gondola.


#112147 - 10/16/03 04:32 PM hey, it might even be true  
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just unearthed this http://www.bisso.com/ujg_archives/000224.html now all we have to do is write to the uni. get a copy of his thesis and check it out! i'm doing it tomorrow.


#112148 - 10/16/03 11:17 PM Re: hey, it might even be true  
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And me wondering for the longest time about the story behind the name wolfadocaholic. (?werewolf that keeps eating doctors??)
I don't know if it is a related skill but I got to be good at interpreting conversations with stroke survivors with word finding deficits. They will sometimes substitute a functionally related word (the machine doesn't work" for "my knee won't hold me") or a word with no linguistic relationship but a similar mouth feel or cadence ( my earring for good morning,) I found if I listened "loosely" I could guesstimate better than average.

The faster I read the example above and the less I looked at individual words the easier it was.

#112149 - 10/17/03 05:38 AM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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A colleague forwarded the Indonesian version to me last week. I could read it almost as easily as 'proper' Indonesian.

Ini sagnat menraik
====================
menuurt sbeauh penilitean di Cmabrigde Uinervtisy,
tdaik mejnadi maslaah bgaimanaa urtaun hruuf-huurf di dlaam subaeh
kaat, ynag palngi pnteing adlaah leatk hruuf partema dan terkhair itu bnaer.
Siasnya dpaat brantaaken saam skelai dan kmau maish dpaat mebmacanya
tnpaa msaalah.
Hal ini kerana oatk masunia tdaik mambeca seitap huurf msaing-msaing,
tatepi kaat kesuleruhan.
Manejkubakn naggk?


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#112150 - 10/17/03 08:29 AM Re: Try radenig tihs  
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Siasnya dpaat brantaaken saam skelai dan kmau maish dpaat mebmacanya tnpaa msaalah.

That's absolutely amazing. I can read it as easily as I could the original.

Edit:

Ltae beranikg nwes from Cmabrigde Uinervtisy:

http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt.davis/Cmabrigde/


#112151 - 10/20/03 03:33 PM Try radenig tihs  
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I believe all the same mechanics are in motion as one sight reads music. Although one isn't reading the "scrambled middle's" of words, the musician, through their experience of seeing similar notes on a page, can focus on translating phrasing, dynamics, attack/decay and the conductor (all at the same time) because of familiarity with the syntax and semantics at hand. My suggestion is quite evident (to me) as property #3 marks precisely that:

"Of the 15 words in this sentence, there are 8 that are still in the correct order..."


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