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Ulyssean - I find it risible that Scripps-Howard says Ulysses was the hero of Homer’s Odyssey. I wonder why the Romans changed his name from the Greek Oddysseus to Latin Ulysses.
umbelliferous
Definition:
\Um`bel*lif"er*ous\, a. [Umbel + -ferous: cf. F.
ombillif[`e]re.] (Bot.)
(a) Producing umbels.
(b) Of or pertaining to a natural order ({Umbellifer[ae]}) of
plants, of which the parsley, carrot, parsnip, and fennel
are well-known examples.
umber 1
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5Fr (terre d‘)ombre < It (terra d‘)ombra, lit., (earth of) shade, prob. < L umbra, a shade, shadow (but based on ? UMBRIA)6
1 a kind of earth containing oxides of manganese and iron, used as a pigment: raw umber is yellowish-brown; burnt, or calcined, umber is reddish-brown
2 a yellowish-brown or reddish-brown color
adj.
of the color of raw umber or burnt umber
vt.
to color with or as with umber
umber 2
n.
5ME < OFr umbre (Fr ombre) < L umbra: see prec.6
1 [Now Dial.] shade; shadow
2 a common European grayling (Thymallus thymallus)
umbrous - one dictionary says “shady” dozens of sites selling hamster appear to call it “creamy”
umland - apparently a German word, equivalent to “environs”
umpaty, unadulterated, unanimously, unappreciative, unchangeable,
uncinus - biology, a small hooklike process
uncomplimentary, unconscionable, uncrystallized,
unctuous
adj.
5ME < ML unctuosus, greasy < L unctum, ointment < ungere, to anoint: see UNGUENT6
1 a) of, like, or characteristic of an ointment or unguent; oily or greasy b) made up of or containing fat or oil
2 like oil, soap, or grease to the touch: said of certain minerals
3 soft and rich: said of soil
4 plastic; moldable
5 characterized by a smug, smooth pretense of spiritual feeling, fervor, or earnestness, as in seeking to persuade; too suave or oily in speech or manner
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unc4tu[ous[ly
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uncurl, underestimate, underlineation, underscore, understand,understudy, underterred, undulating, unearth, unembroidered, unencombered, unenviable, unequivocal, uneventful, unfasten, unfavorable, unfilial, unfinished, unforeseeable, ungenteel, unguerdoned
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I wonder why the Romans changed his name from the Greek Oddysseus to Latin Ulysses.
I've wondered the same thing. There seems to be more going on here than simple language differences. Herakles > Hercules I can see, particularly as it sheds light on the nuclear > nucular issue. Perhaps one of our resident linguists can weigh in.
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The Latin form is more usually Ulixes. According to the Lewis and Short entry on Perseus, it doesn't come directly from the Greek, but via Etruscan Uluxe, or Siculan (the Siculi lived in Sicily and gave their name to the island) Oulixes. http://makeashorterlink.com/?A5A412775 Bingley
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It sounds as though the legend of Troy must have been widely circulated before Homer's opus got into print.
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Here's a page about some early Roman and Greek history with the mythological influences acknowledged that have been woven into the history. Not a whole lot that's new there, but worth a look. http://www.aug.edu/langlitcom/humanitiesHBK/handbook_htm/roman_history.htmJoyce would have chosen Ulysses rather than Odysseus for his book that used the Odyssey as its scaffolding because of Latin and the very strong influence of the Catholic Church upon his early formation.
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history. Not a whole lot that's new thereThat's reassuring. 
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In reply to:
It sounds as though the legend of Troy must have been widely circulated before Homer's opus got into print.
Well, in 2300-odd years, I would certainly hope so.
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2300-odd years
Izzat 4600 altogether? ;)
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Dear Bingley:manuscripts were printed by hand. I wonder when the earliest manuscripts of the Odyssey were made.
I found some archaeology sites indicating that the Etruscans
arrived in Italy fairly close to time accepted for Trojan war. I still think the Trojan war story is a bunch of baloney. There is evidence of a series of cities there having been destroyed and rebuilt. It was in a location to profit as a safe harbor and supply point for trading ships. And capable of accumulating wealth enough to invite attacks, and prompt rebuilding, until its channel and harbor
got silted in.And maybe terrain uplifted as well. It is now a couple miles from the water.
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Re:I still think the Trojan war story is a bunch of baloney.
What? you don't believe that my mythical mother was raped, and that i and my mythical siblings, (some born, some hatched) didn't exist? or the that i am not the name sake of a the worlds most beautiful creature, a demi god?
there are elements of truth, and elements of fiction (think of the search for weapons of mass distructions, and the whole african uranium scandle) in all wars.
some just play better than others.
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