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#101651 04/27/03 10:00 PM
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Sorry Helen, but are you trying to say that some people only open their mouths to change feet? Just askin', like.


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Isn't the equivalent phrase in English "getting out of bed on the wrong side" ? No handed-ness (or footedness) needed.


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There is also the related expression "to get off on the wrong foot", usually describing a situation where we might say, "look, we've misunderstood each other here, let's back up and start again".

There is also the well known, "I know you think you understood what I said, but what you don't understand is that what I said is not what I meant."



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I wanted to know where this phrase "self-enforced mediocrity" has originally come from? I couldn't see any post/reply which contained it as its primary text...


#101655 04/28/03 10:47 PM
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where this phrase "self-enforced mediocrity" has originally come from

He deleted it.


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He deleted it for whatever good reasons he may have had.

However, I quoted his statement in full in my response above if you're curious about what he originally wrote before his deletion.




#101657 04/28/03 11:30 PM
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to anchita (and cross threaded welcome to Krzysztof,who found the volume of new words difficult)
Welcome, please don't get scared away.
On the original topic: why should operable and inoperable be opposites if flammable and inflammable mean the same.

A Spanish friend once described English as "messy". There ain't a rule we don't break, we have smooshed together two (or possibly more) grammatical systems and words can shift from noun to verb at the drop of a hat. And we make up new words whenever necessary,convenient or just when we get bored with the ones we have.

Oh well if English was neat and rule-abiding it wouldn't be nearly as much fun.


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why should operable and inoperable be opposites if flammable and inflammable mean the same

The answer is in the roots, Zed. The 'in', in inflammable, is not a prefix. The word itself is derived from the Latin root, inflammare, which itself means to burn easily. Whereas, the 'in', in inoperable is a prefix, signifying 'not'. (I don't know the root for operable; our Latin guru, faldage, will check in in the morning I hope, with more on this)

Off the top of my head, I can think of two other such words wherein, the 'in' is not a prefix, but part of a root: inchoate and indict

Not always can we divide a word and conquer it, eh!


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inflammare is clearly in + flammare ( that I recognize, since fiamma is fire in Italian). It seems to me, better, to my ears, that "in" is a prefix, but meaning here "starting to..."


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Emanuela, I do beleive you are right, but with a BUT! The in + flammare is the break up of the LATIN word and the 'in' is therefore the prefix in Latin, albeit in the 'starting to' or 'into' context. The Latin word thus becomes inflammare and the ENGLISH word inflammable is derived from this word. Whereas, with inobservable, the division is, in = observable and the prefix is an english one.


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