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#116639 11/26/03 03:57 PM
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Happy Id to everyone here on AWADtalk!! Id is the last day of Ramzan.


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Does your celebration include turkey tomorrow?


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Cool! I'd always seen the words transliterated as "Eid" and "Ramadan." Food for thought, as it were.


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I do know that the meal to break the fast is supposedly one fit for kings, wwh. Beyond that, my knowledge of the actual festivites is rather limited. And AnnaS, I started out with Eid but changed it to Id, since most people from the Middle East write it without the E and they must have the better handle on it. However, having heard it pronounced in Arabic, Urdu, Farsi,... I do believe the E captures a certain tone that 'Id' does not. Ramadan is most certainly the Anglicised form; very Kipling-esque! But like I said, I don't know enough about this to write more, shall wait to hear other responses.


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Anna

Id Mubarak and Ramzan are typically Indian transliterations. The words, I presume, are from the Arabic, but are probably used as Urdu words in India. Since the sound in Id is a long 'ee' and has a slight diphthongal quality, 'eid' might be slightly more accurately, but 'Id' is conventional in India.

I, too, have been confused by Ramzan/Ramadan and am never sure if they refer to the same thing! In India, for us, the national holiday was Bakri Id (bakri = goat), and our Muslim neighbour, having sacrificed the goat on the day would come round on the next day with a large pot full of the most deliciously cooked mutton for us! Happy days.

I've just looked it up on our office calendar, and the day at the end of Ramadan/Ramzan is Eid-ul fitr, and my Bakri Id is, apparently Eid-ul adha. So there.

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wasn't it yesterday? i saw the crescent moon last night at dusk, a thin sliver of white in a dusky sky.. (almost had an accident watching it!-- i was driving at the time!)

but one of the news broadcast said the moon could be seen on sunday night... (i couldn't see it, it was too cloudy here.) and one of my neighbors was certainly having a party sunday night (it didn't last long.. it was over (or at least quiet!) by 9:30 or so!

i don't have a really good lunar calendar this year, so i don't know exactly when the moon is full, or new, or quarter --except by simple observation (and i don't watch it every night).. but when its full, it shines into my bedroom window, and i sleep in moonlight.



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the day at the end of Ramadan/Ramzan is Eid-ul fitr
Interesting, shanks. In Indonesia, it's Idul Fitri.


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It is indeed. Also known as Hari Raya Idul Fitri (The Great Day of Idul Fitri). The traditional greeting is mohon maaf lahir dan bathin -- please forgive (me) body and soul. What I assume is an Arabic expression, Minal Aidin Wal Faidzin, is becoming more popular.

There are various transliterations of whatever the Arabic original of Ramadhan is: Romodhon seems to be the most popular. It's often just referred to as Puasa (fast).

Then there's mudik. Most people try to go back to whatever village their family came from at Idul Fitri. That means something like 7,000,000 people left Jakarta the weekend before Idul Fitri and then came back again last weekend. I stay put despite having a week off work. I just can't face the fight to get anywhere and then the fight to get back again.

As soon as the last day of fasting finishes at sundown, the mosques start up with special services broadcast to the whole neighbourhood over loudspeakers. People still set off firecrackers, although the govt. is trying to crack down on this. It seems to go on most of the night. I usually fall asleep about 1 a.m. so I don't know what time they actually stop.

There's another service in the mosques at 5 a.m. and then people start on the rounds of visits. Everybody goes round to visit whoever the eldest living relative nearby is, and then work their way through the rest of the family. A lot of people also visit the graves of recently-deceased family members before Puasa and at Idul Fitri.

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Everybody goes round to visit whoever the eldest living relative nearby is, and then work their way through the rest of the family. It seems to me that traffic problems would be eased if they made a rule that all extended family members had to live on the same block...


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Do I safely assume that Mubarak means "happy"? And is this a common surname, as in Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak?


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