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#85162 10/31/02 07:30 PM
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Love is a poikilochromatic thing.


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"Teknonymy
-The naming of the parent from the child. "


Does this mean the child names the parent, as in a nickname of some kind?


We are all familiar with the practice of naming children after the parents as in the surname Johnson, the Russian system of patronymics and so on. Teknonymy is the opposite, naming a parent after the child, as for example calling Mary, the Mother of God.

Apparently in some cultures, and I forget the details so please don't ask, it is quite common to refer to someone once they have become a parent as mother or father of x, rather than use their own name.

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For those without a Greek dictionary to hand, the Liddel and Scott entry on poikilos tracing the developments in meaning can be found here:
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry=#84296


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Teknonymy is the opposite, naming a parent after the child, as for example calling Mary, the Mother of God.


Many thanks, Bingley! I'd hoped someone would straighten me out.

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Abu is Arabic for father. When part of a name (you could google abu to find many examples) it normally means that the son has gained some fame, perhaps even being better known than the father. At least that's how I remember it.


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if you use the lookup feature at Bingley's Greek dictionary link, you can eventually fine this:

I. many-coloured, spotted, mottled, pied, dappled, of leopards, fawns, Hom., etc.
II. of robes, wrought in various colours, broidered, Il., etc.; en poikilois kallesin, of a rich carpet, Aesch.; so, ta poikila id=Aesch.
2. of metal work, teuchea p. chalkŰi in-wrought with brass, Il., etc.: but, p. desmos intricate, Od.
3. hÍ stoa hÍ poikilÍ, the Poecile or great hall at Athens adorned with paintings of the battle of Marathon by Polygnotus, Aeschin., etc.
III. metaph. changeful, various, diversified, manifold, Aesch., Plat.;-- p. mÍnes the changing months, Pind.
2. of Art, p. humnos a song of changeful strain or full of diverse art, id=Pind.; so, poikilon kitharizŰn id=Pind.
3. intricate, complex, Hdt., Soph., etc.: --adv., poikilŰs audŰmenos speaking in double sense, Soph.
b. of abstruse knowledge, intricate, subtle, poikilon ti eidenai Eur.; ouden p. nothing abstruse or difficult, Plat.:--so, of persons, subtle, wily, Aesch.; p. gar hanÍr Ar.
4. changeable, changeful, unstable, Arist.:-- poikilŰs echein to be different, Xen.


the moral of our fable: even the Greeks transferred meanings..


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'keep up appearances'
'hold onto their self-respect'
'cover their asses'


Seems to me that these are by no means synonyms or poecilonyms for one another.

"Keeping up appearances" implies a certain dishonesty, that things are not as they appear. Usually applied to people who are trying (with limited success) to "keep up with the Joneses".

"Holding on to self-respect" implies struggling rather nobly in the face of adversity. Wearing rags, but clean rags.

"Covering your arse" is quite similar to covering your tracks, leaving nothing to connect you with what some may see as dodgy dealings. It's usually sensible, but isn't generally something of which people are openly proud.


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>Seems to me that these are by no means synonyms or poecilonyms for one another.

whew, shona, talk about wrenching a thread back to the original hijack'd post. the fact is, that post was *seeking something to replace CYA..


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