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#79148 08/31/02 02:48 AM
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Wise girl. Don't sweat it man, it'll be cool ...



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Hey, Cap! What's happenin'?! (now that's a definite interrobang)


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Another Carnaby Street special is Fab.

This also brings to mind mod, whch over here in the US simply meant a type of fashion. But after seeing The Who's movie Quadrophenia I realized that in Britain it was actually a youth social cult, The Mods, very seriously at odds, to the point of violence, with other youth sects. And, yet, after all these years, I've never been quite clear about the reasons for the divisions in the youth-groups there at that time...the closest analogy I can come up with here in the US is the hippies and the greasers (which were categorized as all the slick-backed hair, 50's style guys and gals)...but they just kind of let each other be here, no push for violence or anything like that)...could anyone from across the Atlantic pond elaborate a bit on The Mods for us?


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Hippies:Greasers::Mods:Rockers



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But the mods, greasers and rockers came well before the hippies. And those movements left no linguistic legacy that I can find, although Rhuby, who was old when the mods were out on their scooters in their roll-neck sweaters and screwed-down hairdos, may be able to shed more light on that than I ...

For information about what the mods and the rockers were, Juan, I sugguest you read this excellent discussion:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A707627



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Mods/Rockers

Thanks, Cap! That fills in the vagaries for me!

I found this a bit curious, though: For everyday wear, turned up Leviís became de rigueur, often shrunk to size by being worn in the bath.
Huh? We used to buy new Wranglers or Levis for 5 or 6 bucks (and sometimes cheaper on sale...ah, those were the days!), and then wash 'em, bleach 'em, drag 'em through the dirt, and stomp on 'em to give 'em that "faded, lived-in" look. But wearing 'em in the bath? I don't think so! (I always wore Wranglers, BTW, jeans and jacket).

Side note: Hey! There's a fish on a bike in the banner logo to the site you linked, Cap! Hmmm...what's up with that Shona?


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Dear WO'N: some of that passion for worn garments started in the services, when
the old-timers prized shirts and trousers tastefully faded, and sometimes steeped
in coffee if too bleached, because nobody could mistake them for rookies.


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It's always been my understanding that the peace symbol was originally the symbol for the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and was based on semaphore for CND. Anyone verify this or was it told to me by a delusional boy scout? I imagine war protesters in the fifties were occasionally referred to as a bunch of boy scouts.

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I found a site about the Peace Symbol of the fifties:
Peace Sign - The Peace Action Symbol was
designed on February 21, 1958 for use in the first
Aldermaston Easter Peace Walk in England. The
symbol is the composite semaphore signal for the
letters 'N' and 'D' standing for Nuclear Disarmament.

The semaphore symbol for "N" has both flags lowered to forty five degrees.
The semaphore symbol for "D" has one flag overhead, the other at the feet of the signalman.

To me the joke was that the circle with vertical bar, and the symmetrical slanting bars
looked very much like a huge bomber aircraft.


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I found this a bit curious, though: For everyday wear, turned up Leviís became de rigueur, often shrunk to size by being worn in the bath.
Huh? We used to buy new Wranglers or Levis for 5 or 6 bucks (and sometimes cheaper on sale...ah, those were the days!), and then wash 'em, bleach 'em, drag 'em through the dirt, and stomp on 'em to give 'em that "faded, lived-in" look. But wearing 'em in the bath? I don't think so! (I always wore Wranglers, BTW, jeans and jacket).


Yaha. You woulda been a rocker. Suits you! The idea was that since during the sixties the jeans were made of denim that hadn't been preshrunk, if you wore them in a warm (hot) bath they would shrink to figure-hugging tightness, which was part of the mod look. Very de rigeur. To some extent the hippy look - in Britain anyway - was a sartorial backlash against the mod look.



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