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#63731 04/10/02 01:48 AM
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This is really over the top, and totally inappropriate for this board. I wasn't going to dignify this thread with any sort of comment, but this has gone too far.

I wasn't going to mention this, but as long as sparteye brought up the subject elsewhere:

Bottom line, ASp, is that you still owe mod-god an apology for your rudeness. Not that I am so unrealistic as to expect to see one, which would be atypical for this board.

IMHO, of course.


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Keiva, quit making a Spectorcle of yourself. NOW.


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Debunker, back off. NOW.

Keiva - thanks for your continuing gallantry (I do love it!). However, I have decided to put ASp on "ignore" (as we real models who are comfortable with our bodies call it, on our discussion board). I just don't take anything she sez seriously. So the same would hold true for any apology she might make.

I mean, how CAN you?! (take ASp seriously, that is)

Besides, I probly seen all dem sites to which she is referring. Seriously. [nudge-e] [nudge-e]


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The old familiar pattern that when one's behavior is in question, turn to attack someone else.

Even better, do it under the anonymous name "debunker", to avoid having responsibility for your own words.

But debunker, I have no doubt that ASp is capable of speaking for herself. She, not shy about telling us what she thinks of other's behavior, surely cannot object to others commenting upon hers.

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My sister teaches English and asked her pupils (or "learners" as we are now required to say in disgusting PC-ese) to discuss how Shakespeare uses nakedness as a metaphor in Macbeth. You know... "and pity, like a naked new-born babe" and all that.

Well, one replied with words to the effect that there were "nude babes" in the play. Somehow the fact that that comment is so funny seems to go to the heart of the naked/nude debate.



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Welcome Phyllisstein! (great name! - and I see you have been a member of AWADtalk longer than I have, chronologically speaking, so perhaps it is presumptuous of me to welcome you....?!) Your presence is requested in the "where are all the boks?" thread....

Well, one replied with words to the effect that there were "nude babes" in the play. Somehow the fact that that comment is so funny seems to go to the heart of the naked/nude debate.

I would love it if you would elaborate on this....I thought it was funnier because of the pupil ("learner" indeed! some pupils resist learning, doesn't they?) not realising that "babe" meant "baby" in this context....not because of the nude/naked dichotomy. [questioning/confused-e]


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Ta, modgod, for the greetings (and for all your heavenly, irreverent posts).

I would love it if you would elaborate on this....I thought it was funnier because of the pupil ("learner" indeed! some pupils resist learning, doesn't they?) not realising that "babe" meant "baby" in this context....not because of the nude/naked dichotomy. [questioning/confused-e]

You are quite right about the "babe" thing. But it seems also to point out the difference between nakedness, which is a clinical fact, and nudity, which has connotations of sensuality. The fact that said learner instinctively switched to "nude" when he thought of babes kind of says it all. Or maybe not. Maybe I just wanted an excuse to tell my funny story.

Anyway I would suggest that a big majority of people would refer to a "naked" baby but a "nude" pin-up.





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difference between nakedness, which is a clinical fact,
and nudity, which has connotations of sensuality.


Ooooohhhhhh, I GET IT! Tanks. (I took the scenic route!)


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For a very different, bitingly-satirical take on a different story of nudity, see the poem Nothing to Wear in bartleby, at
http://www.bartleby.com/102/157.html

Quite long, but well worth it and amusing throughout. Helen will appreciate the references to old New York.


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