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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Trojan Horse #187775 11/13/09 10:17 AM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 21 Ontario R RonDavis OP stranger OP RonDavis stranger R Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 21 Ontario I think the common conception of a Trojan Horse stems from a misunderstanding by Homer. In Caesar's history of the conquest of Gaul, which was written about a thousand years later but technology did not change quickly back then, he describes a siege tower, which was made of wood framing covered with horse-hides. It was built at a safe distance from the besieged city (Alesia = Arles), then carried to the wall by a large number of soldiers inside. They then swarmed up ladders inside and onto the wall. One can well suppose that the soldiers called it a wooden horse, and subsequently spoke of entering the city after being in it. Caesar does not describe its shape, but it probably even resembled a horse's head and neck, because it probably had a forward projection at the top, a vertical front wall, and a wide base for stability and to provide room for the carrying. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Trojan Horse RonDavis #187778 11/13/09 01:35 PM Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague BranShea Carpal Tunnel BranShea Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,295 Netherlands, the Hague Do you think the Gaules took an obvious siege tower for a horse? Well, maybe they held on to the old saying: " Don't look a given horse in the mouth", meaning: don't scrutinize a present, just accept it. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Trojan Horse RonDavis #187779 11/13/09 02:16 PM Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel zmjezhd Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,290 R'lyeh I think the common conception of a Trojan Horse stems from a misunderstanding by Homer. In Caesar's history of the conquest of Gaul, which was written about a thousand years later but technology did not change quickly back then, he describes a siege tower, which was made of wood framing covered with horse-hides. The Trojan War is usually dated to the 1300 century BCE, and the composition of the Iliad and the Odyssey to the 8th century BCE. Homer does not tell the story of the Trojan Horse: the Iliad ends with the death of Hector. The best description of the Trojan horse is in the second book of Virgil's Æneid which was composed in the late 1st century BCE. Speculation that the Trojan Horse was a siege tower is based on the observation made by Pausanias in the 2nd century CE in his Ελλαδος Περιηγησεως (Ellados Periēgēseōs) 'Description of Greece'. Quote: There [in Brauron] is the horse called Wooden set up in bronze. That the work of Epeius was a contrivance to make a breach in the Trojan wall is known to everybody who does not attribute utter silliness to the Phrygians. But legend says of that horse that it contained the most valiant of the Greeks, and the design of the bronze figure fits in well with this story. Menestheus and Teucer are peeping out of it, and so are the sons of Theseus. (1.23.8..) The oldest known siege towers were used under Ashurnasirpal II (Aššurnâṣirapli) in the 9th century BCE in Mesopotamia. While it is possible that they predated this Assyrian king, I am not convinced of it. I think Pausanias was just trying to make sense of the legend of the Trojan Horse, which may not have even taken place. (The speculation I have seen is that the Horse was not a siege tower bu a battering ram in the shape of an animal.) It's a pity that the Lesches' Little Iliad is lost, because we could have had an earlier description of the Trojan Horse. Ceci n'est pas un seing. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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