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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread NYT's omission #187473 10/27/09 08:00 PM Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,773 Apple Valley, CA, USA D dalehileman OP Pooh-Bah OP dalehileman Pooh-Bah D Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,773 Apple Valley, CA, USA The New York Times recently quit using the apostrophe with an abbreviation (eg, DVDs) though I had always considered its use as virtually mandatory, but changes taking place in the media and popular culture overwhelm my traditional understanding of usage in the Mother Tongue For instance the stylebook for our local Fourth Estate, The Victorville, CA Daily Press, evidently allows for the interchange of "lay" and "lie," where more than once we have noted a usage like, "...a woman laying beside the road..." While the traditional scholar might anticipate the imminent arrest of the woman on grounds of indecent exposure, the new usage is no doubt meant to allay the possible assumption that she is instead seated curbside using a cellphone to spread rumors and untruths Eg, lying beside the highway In the Press' defense, however, to lay is doubtless becoming widespread as we have also noted the occasional laying even in AP stories. By coincidence in today's Press , "The victim had drank a large amount of alcohol...." Perhaps the woman was laying there because she had drank so much, suggesting another linguistic twist in a parallel vein (no puns intended) dalehileman Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission dalehileman #187477 10/28/09 12:48 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia D doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict D Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia Originally Posted By: dalehileman The New York Times recently quit using the apostrophe with an abbreviation I could never work out why there was an apostrophe there in the first place. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission doc_comfort #187483 10/28/09 10:09 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 There are times when it is helpful, but, as a general rule, I leave it out. How many is are there in the previous sentence? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission Faldage #187486 10/28/09 01:40 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass Originally Posted By: Faldage There are times when it is helpful, but, as a general rule, I leave it out. How many is are there in the previous sentence? I count four(4) is; but there is only one Is. -joe (ambiguity are our friend) friday Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission tsuwm #187487 10/28/09 01:51 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Buffalo Shrdlu Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,210 Vermont I got five, though one is a bit uppity. and one is. formerly known as etaoin... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission Buffalo Shrdlu #187507 10/29/09 03:01 AM Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 876 western NY twosleepy old hand twosleepy old hand Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 876 western NY Nope. There's only one... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: NYT's omission twosleepy #187512 10/29/09 11:28 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 There's no I in TEAM, but there is in WIN. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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