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Originally Posted By: Porcupine
Yes, I imagine.

However, I would surmise that just as technology is advancing and at unprecedented speed, so is language being influenced by the advancement of technology at a rate that has never before been witnessed.


well, we're seemtainly more aware of it these days.


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Calling someone a solipsist could be in some situations be taken as a solecism.

I should disclose that Im only looking at solipsism from the egocentric predicament.

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i don't think that the rate of change is different.. i think that what has happened is we are aware of all the changes, in all the dialects..

Scot's english is so different than the english of london (less so now, than 100 years ago.)
English in US is more unified too.. Newspapers, transportation, wars, TV and the internet have served to level the language.


The local differences (that 1000 years past resulted in vulgar latin becoming French, or Spanish, or Italian, or Romanian) are less localized.

I not only read about slang in Oz or NZ, i socialize (albeit infrequently) with friends from Oz or NZ, or Scotland, or South Africa.. and i learn their slang, their lexis, and while i don't use it--occationally a word comes along, that is just the right thing--and that word gets a much wider audience than ever before.

many computer users all over the world use google --it borders on defining a search engine.

100-150 years ago, chains (like woolworths, like A & P, like Sears (& Roebuck)) were becoming well known, not just in 1 place but in many--the created a world wide standard for shopping.

the same universality is now extending to language.

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i don't think that the rate of change is different

Some linguists hold that the rate of language change is constant and can be measured: most famously Morris Swadesh and his glottochronology. (A modern proponent is Don Ringe of UPenn who uses computational model based on cladistics in biology to determine when languages split off into separate branches: some papers here.) Others reason that the rate is variable. R M W Dixon, an Australian linguist, wrote an interesting, short book, The Rise and Fall of Languages (1997), in which he posits a model for language change that replaces the familiar Stammbaumtheorie (family tree theory of Johann Schmidt) of languages genetic relationship with one borrowed from from evolutionary biology, i.e., punctuated equilibrium. (It is, in part, based on some ideas from areal linguistics, e.g., the concept of the Sprachbund.)

It can be observed that the change between Old and Modern English and between Vulgar Latin and the various Romance languages took place fairly rapidly during the so-called Dark Ages, a volutile period when little in the way of literature was written or survived.


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The rate of language change is only incidental. The change of the language into a more effective vehicle for commuting complex ideas is the measure of a vibrant society. Contrast Shakespearian times with our own...

"I to the world am like a drop of water,
That in the ocean seeks another drop;
Who, falling there to find his fellow forth,
Unseen, inquisitive, confounds himself."
------------------------------------------- Comedy of Errors

We have found that social networks are not monetising as well as we were expecting, said George Reyes, chief financial officer, as Google reported its earnings for the final quarter of last year."
-------------------------------------------- Google press release today.

Yeah, you know, like "monetising"!
Silly Googledegop hip-hop, meaning little but sounding in the know...what fools you mortals be.


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i don't think that the rate of change is different.. i think that what has happened is we are aware of all the changes, in all the dialects..


thanks, my shoulders were getting cold.


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Monetising - the process of making an otherwise clear and vivid painting into a blurry mass of colors. Only applies to paintings depicting serene images of haystacks, colorful gardens, and still ponds with bridges.

Not to be confused with Manetising.

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>Not to be confused with Manetising.

ha!

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Or taking your Monet to Christie's.

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Be careful, Porcupine, your playful depiction of the blurred haystacks, smokestacks, shacks, and colorful gardens painted by Monet might offend The BranShea -- our resident artist par excellence -- who has made stacks and sacks and shacks of money by monetising the Netherland's
colorful gardens.


What say, BranShe, will you show the Porcupine a picture?
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