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"Crash", btw, has been used as a noun since at least the 16th century. Nouns and adjectives have slopped over each other since before the beginning. Even classical Latin did it.
True, but "crash" denoting the requirement for immediate attention is an adjective, but it is stretched in the other examples to include noun and verb uses. So I would still appreciate an instance where it might be used as an adverb
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To me, this usage sounds rather like sloppiness and an unwillingness to remember the actual needed verb for the moment. Similar but less appropriate, perhaps, than the current use of the verb "grow" in the phrase "grow your business". Is that evolution of a language, replacing the cumbersome "cause your business to grow", or other possibly more correct phraseology? Or maybe people really do mean simply to throw a bit of fertilizer on the business, hose it down, and hope for a good amount of sunshine...
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"I will arrive him."
I think this falls under the category of creative language use, and probably began as a jocose solecism to circumvent the overuse of certain words and expressions. Eventually the joke wore off, but the solecism remained.
I've seen this kind of thing before. When circumstances excessively limit a speaker's lexical palette, the urge for fresh alternatives may break out in open defiance of grammaticality.
It is a deliberate meme of poor grammar which is actually indicative of grammar-conscious language use.
I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but certainly the same principle is behind the use on message forums of words like "Interweb" (for the much overused word "Internet").
I have seen posters on this forum say "PM me". "Personal message me" is no better that "arrive him." [1]
The ironic corollory of this hypothesis is that the speaker may be in a form of employment below her intellectual station.
Edit : [1] Myself included!
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"You can have him after I've arrived him." This is because the actor is not the receptionist but the Faldage. - I beg to disagree. The phrase was definitely used as a kind of shorthand for a formal process (sequence of prescribed actions) executed by the receptionist. I think this kind of "language" is not uncommon in the "health sector". It is probably related to the proverbial illegible writing of doctors.
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Quote:
To me, this usage sounds rather like sloppiness and an unwillingness to remember the actual needed verb for the moment.
Arriving people is a major part of her job description. This is not sloppiness or unwillingness to remember any presumed actual needed verb.
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Arriving people is a major part of her job description.
Your subject and verb are not in agreement in that sentence.
Ducking and running for cover, probably to no avail, is:
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descrip that I am, I'm with werner and Faldage on this one. I understood what was meant. don't necessarily like the coinage, but I understood it.
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Em--it is probably related to filling out forms. Many doctor's offices have "Time of Arrival" on the sign-in sheet. Although I've not heard this particular usage before, to me it's no worse than "enter him", which, esp. if interpreted literally, sounds quite painful! In the latter, I believe everyone understands that it is short for entering his name, and (in the logbook or register) is understood.
In this case, possibly part of the duty once a patient has arrived may encompass other things; for ex., noting payment and/or putting a new form in the front of the patient's file for Reason for Today's Visit, etc. etc. Probably all of these kinds of things are encompassed in the meaning of "arriving" a patient. Mercy--as busy as doctors' offices are, if the staff said, "I have entered his name in the register and completed all the requirements for his arrival process" for every patient, they'd probably lose a whole appointment's worth of time by the end of the week!
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Well, I would much rather be the dear arrived than the dear departed.
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