#96689
02/22/2003 10:13 PM
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Down in meta-words, I posted a list containing word "chatelaine". This I recognized
as French for a lady in charge of a chateau or similar large important dwelling place,
as far at responsibility for security, supervision of servants, etc. So imagine my
surprise at seeing it defined as a key ring, on which the keys to the estate might
be kept. It is obviously a metaphor, but the reverse of the usual kind. Yet dictionary
defintion of "synecdoche" = name of part = whole, says "or reverse".
So is synecdoche the right word in this case? Or is there a better word for it?
Please comment.
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#96690
02/23/2003 12:16 AM
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It seems like the reverse of referring to the ruler as the throne or the president as the White House, whatever that's called. I went traipsing through the Forest and found nothing that seemed to cover it.
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#96691
02/23/2003 1:11 AM
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I can see that the keys to the estate were in effect the chatelaines badge of office, and the only
thing important about her, so the keys to the estate could be called " the chatelaine".
But I can't see the term referring to just any keyring. And I can't think of a parallel.
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#96692
02/23/2003 1:50 AM
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#96694
02/23/2003 2:43 AM
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Indeed, that piece is arcane. I wonder if the author saw the Star Trek episode Darmok, where the alien race spoke entirely in metaphors--which were of course incomprehensible to those with no frame of reference. The Enterprise crew's response to them was like mine to Shakespeare: understanding the individual words, but still the whole makes no sense.
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#96695
02/23/2003 2:55 AM
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So what's up with this? Every time I hear this song, I break my brain Hi, moose! trying to figure out why she "becomes Miss Chatelaine"
Miss Chatelaine
k.d. lang/Ben Mink
Just a kiss just a kiss
I have lived just for this
I can't explain why I've become
Miss Chatelaine
Just a smile just a smile
Hold me captive just a while
I can't explain why I've become
Miss Chatelaine
Every time your eyes meet mine
Clouds of qualm
Burst into sunshine
Just a sigh just a sigh
Words my love just reply
I can't explain why I 've become
Miss Chatelaine
Miss Chatelaine
Zing!!
Just a smile just a smile
Hold me captive just a while
I can't explain why I've become
Miss Chatelaine
Every time your eyes meet mine
Clouds of qualm
Burst into sunshine
Just a kiss just a kiss
I have lived just for this
I can't explain why I've become
Miss Chatelaine
Miss Chatelaine
Miss Chatelaine
Miss Chatelaine
Miss Chatelaine
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#96696
02/23/2003 3:21 AM
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Seems like she can't explain it either, consuelo!  Perhaps, she feels like she has become the chatelaine of his heart!
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02/23/2003 3:44 AM
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Every good housewife is a chatelaine who makes a house a home,, and holds all the keys
including the one to the heart of her husband if he is good for anything and has any brains
at all. So it should be Mrs. Chatelaine.
But not every keyring deserves to be called a chatelaine. That name should be special.
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#96698
02/23/2003 5:48 AM
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But not every keyring deserves to be called a chatelaine. That name should be special.
Aye, Aye, captain!! Now, if only we would all understand and trust that it is all about keys and not about the purse strings!
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02/23/2003 6:53 AM
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COPOCLEPHILE
A collector of key rings from (edit)RhubarbCommando's link in another thread)
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#96700
02/23/2003 11:07 AM
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Star Trek episode Darmokone of my very favorite episodes...
formerly known as etaoin...
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#96701
02/23/2003 5:31 PM
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Wordsmiths at Eaton Rapids with arms open wide.
Poolside with Sparteye when the walls fell.
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#96702
02/24/2003 2:18 AM
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[falling out laughing e] Oh, kisses to both you guys! <GRIN> Love, Jalad
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#96703
03/04/2003 3:32 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! It's funny, for once a cultural reference is lost going in the other direction! Very refreshing.
Chatelaine is a Canadian women's magazine. It's not smutty (like Cosmo) but more oriented toward family and life and health (and also has great recipes). They used to (I don't know if they still do) name a Woman of the Year. Which kd lang was one year. And this song was written after that. Does it make sense now?
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#96704
03/04/2003 9:08 PM
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 TVM, now I can stop wondering!
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