#96414
02/20/2003 12:55 PM
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Interesting to compare pentimento and palimpsest. Used metaphorically, wouldn't they be interchangeable?
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#96415
02/20/2003 1:04 PM
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They have their differences, for sure, but metaphorically, yes, I believe you're right.
Well, maybe a slight difference in connotation: Pentimento involves merely covering up while palimpsest implies an active attempt to erase the past. It should be noted that neither is entirely successful in the long run.
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#96416
02/20/2003 1:46 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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If you eat a grilled cheese sandwhich and it makes you sick, that's a pentimento cheese sandwich.
[/directly to jail, doesn't pass Go]
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#96417
02/20/2003 1:49 PM
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grilled cheese sandwhich
A) And I thought it was a board game distantly related to go moku/renju
2) Wich kind of cheese did you have in mind?
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#96418
02/20/2003 2:09 PM
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Where is emanuela when we need her? I suspect that the first syllyable of this word
is pronounced more like "pain" than "pen".
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#96419
02/20/2003 4:21 PM
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No,"pen" is the correct pronounciation
I tried to pronounce pentimento as you suggested and the result is ... a strong american accent.
Do yo know also "sentimento" = feeling?
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#96420
02/20/2003 4:33 PM
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Dear emanuela: thank you for your setting me straight. I guess I was being influenced
by Spanish penitentes. Of course I may be wrong about that too.
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#96421
02/20/2003 5:14 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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grilled cheese sandwhich Wich kind of cheese did you have in mind?
Argh! I actually had made that typo, corrected it, and then in re-writing the whole joke [no doubt the extra effort shows] I made the same typo all over again. *sigh*
And I thought it was a board game distantly related to go moku/renju
What is moku/renju?
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#96422
02/20/2003 5:26 PM
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Go moku It's a sort of tictactoe game. You're trying to get five in a row, orthogonally or diagonally on a nineteen by nineteen board. Renju is the version with tweaks to counteract the first player's advantage and the fact that there is a relatively easy way to force a win.
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#96423
02/20/2003 8:16 PM
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I tried to pronounce pentimento as you suggested and the result is ... a strong american accent. That's great, emanuela!
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#96424
02/22/2003 12:02 PM
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penitentes
pen-ih-ten-tays
the eee sound of the i gets a little squished between the pen and the ten.
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#96425
02/22/2003 4:44 PM
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pen-ih-ten-tays
the eee sound of the i gets a little squished
yes, but is there a rule (guideline) which tells us when (not) to use the aaa sound for an e? (only used once in penitentes) somewhere I learned that 'standard' continental vowel pronunciation was 'ah,aa,ee,oh,ooh'.
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#96426
02/23/2003 3:35 AM
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The e-n combination seems to flaunt the ah ay ee oh uu rule of thumb. Rules? There are steenkin' rules?
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#96427
02/23/2003 3:48 AM
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Sounds like the guy who originated your dictum had the problem.
When I was in; the Philppines, my Filipino doctor friends could not say the word "ship"
without it's sounding like "sheep".
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#96428
03/01/2003 2:50 PM
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One day down in old Sacramento
I purchased an antique memento,
And much to my pleasure
Uncovered a treasure
Beneath it: a rare pentimento!
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#96429
03/01/2003 3:23 PM
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A touching Russian song:
"Oche chornya, opissonya, Excremento, Kalifornya..............
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#96430
03/01/2003 10:23 PM
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One day down in old Sacramento
See, Juan? It can be done.
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