Wish I could help you, H, but my Canuck Oxford doesn't have either term....though I've heard both (what would this do to Unca Bill's vocabulary-determining exercise?! what if you've heard/understand - but don't necessarily know the derivations of - ww that ain't in yer dic?!)....but I wanted to weigh in with my own welcome-back - I bin missin' yer!

knitting is a sanity-saver, isn't it? From chaos (sort of - the yarn is usually at least wound!)....order. Ahhh. Feels good. And you wind up with something practical as well as beautiful. I highly recommend it!