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Dear slithy: now that we know what a "prebuttal" is, what's a "buttal"?
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Is actually a verb -- they guy who committed the crime always puts the serving tray together prior to the scene in which he's caught out. Hence he prebuttals the wine.
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Since he gets caught in the end, perhaps that should be "prebuttals the whine?" Just asking 
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he prebuttals the wine
Not so far-fetched, that one. Isn't there a proverbial "butt of Malmsley"? I don't think that was simply to object of his jokes.
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he prebuttals the wineNot so far-fetched, that one. Isn't there a proverbial "butt of Malmsey"? I don't think that was simply to object of his jokes. [Edit: Sure there is. See http://www.bartleby.com/81/5386.html. (Now where's that list of old measures of volume? the Tun, the Magnum, the Hogshead, the Jereboam, and all those)]
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Wasn't one of the less popular Plantagenet kings drowned in a butt of Malmsey wine? Probably an Edward. Oh, all right then, maybe a Richard. No, an Edward, I think. IV or thereabouts.
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E. Cobham Brewer 1810–1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
Drowned in a Butt of Malmsey.
George, Duke of Clarence, being allowed to choose by what death he would die, chose
drowning in malmsey wine (1477). See the continuation of Monstrelet, 196; Fulgosus, ix. 12;
Martin du Bellais’s Memoirs (year 1514).
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Admitting this legend to be an historic fact, it is not unique: Michael Harslob, of Berlin, wished
to meet death in a similar way in 1571, if we may credit the inscription on his tomb:—
“In cyatho vini pleno cum musca periret,
Sic, ait Oeneus, sponte perire velim.”
“When in a cup of wine a fly was drowned,
So, said Vinarius, may my days be crowned.”
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Bartleby agrees. See above.
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Pick, pick, pick. It was Richard III's brother, the Duke of Clarence. Well, at least I got the period right. Edward IV reigned from 1461-70 and from 1471-83!
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