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I was watching an archaeology programme earlier this morning, and nearly spilled my muesli when the presenter several times in succession pronounced Cro-Magnon French-style as Cro-(Manyon) rather than the Cro-(Mag-nun) that I grew up with.
Have I been mispronouncing the word all these years? Or is this part of the "Thou shalt not anglicise pronunciation" movement that gave us Don Ki-Ho-Te rather than Don Kwixot.
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#94286
02/02/2003 2:50 AM
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I had usually heard Cro-Manyon, at least by those I thought knew which was right, and Cro-Magnun by those that didn't.
how about Neatherthal? is it Neander-Tal, or Neander-THal?
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#94287
02/02/2003 3:53 AM
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My dictionary is not consistent. It says hard "g" in Magnon, but kee ho tay. I like to think
I didn't entirely waste my time in language courses, so I say manyon' abd kee ho tay.
But we have many members more proficient therein than I am at this late date.
We have a member formerly resident of Meh hee co, what does she say?
And "th" in German is like "t" remember where "dollars" came from?
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#94288
02/02/2003 4:18 AM
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Ah! Neandert hal! I was just going to bring that up, eta. There just so happens to be a thread on it here. And I was going to mention how this thread hearkens back to that one.  http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=24259And, yes, Bingley. I've encountered that new Cro-Magnon pronunciation and felt the same. I seem to recall there may have been a brief mention of it somewhere along the way here. Probably just another one of those proxy decisions of some scientist trying to wax elitist over another. It was, and always will be, Cro- Magnon to my ear. And I've been delving into paleontology and archaeology since I was a precocious tot. I think the discussion on the Neandert hal thread will pretty well be analogous to what's going on here.
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#94289
02/02/2003 5:42 AM
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Actually, given the propensity for people to carry guns and in the increase in gun crime here in l'Anglterre, I'd say a new form of humanity had come out of the movement back towards the original primordial slime - Cro-Magnum man.
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#94290
02/02/2003 8:17 AM
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I've only heard Cro-Magnon with the hard 'g'--but for years I'd only heard Uranus with the stress on the second syllable for years. Then about, oh, fifteen years ago I learned that astronomers stressed the first syllable. That pronunciation is now well-established around here in the schools, although many hold onto the older pronunciation I grew up with.
Cap, clever play on words there. Disturbing, but clever.
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#94291
02/02/2003 11:38 AM
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that was a fun read, WO'N, thanks! and actual posts by Max Quordlepleen! those are the first I've seen that weren't deleted. several other lost souls there, as well...
ah, time...…
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#94292
02/02/2003 12:14 PM
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only heard Uranus with the stress on the second syllable for years
I know I've mentioned this before but it wasn't in the referenced thread so y'all get to read it again:
Yur AY nus was pretty much the standard pronunciation, at least among the public, until rings were discovered around it. I always imagined Uncle Walter giving a glance over his copy for the evening news and thinking, "I am *not saying, 'ring around your anus!'" The pronunciation changed at that very instant and has only now begun to show any signs of changing back.
Note: for the youngsters in the crowd, this was during the height of an ad campaign for a laundry detergent that proclaimed the ability to get rid of that horrid 'ring around the collar'.
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#94293
02/02/2003 12:27 PM
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given the propensity for people to carry guns and in the increase in gun crime here in l'Anglterre, I'd say a new form of humanity had come out of the movement back towards the original primordial slime - Cro-Magnum man. Hmm--they sound Pro-Magnum to me.
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02/02/2003 2:46 PM
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Actually, given the propensity for people to carry guns and in the increase in gun crime here in l'Anglterre, I'd say a new form of humanity had come out of the movement back towards the original primordial slime - Cro-Magnum man.
Go ahead, Pfranz, make my day!
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#94295
02/05/2003 3:50 AM
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Well, Bingley, there's the French version: Don Quichotte, which sounds much like Donkey shit.
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#94296
02/05/2003 1:11 PM
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Don Quichotte  Interesting that we've Anglicised the pronunciation for quixotic; also that if someone says, "He's a Don Quixote", it's generally uncomplimentary, whereas quixotic often implies cuteness. Did y'all know there was such a word as quixotism? It's been nounified!
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#94297
02/05/2003 5:20 PM
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If canibals ate a Cro-Magnon man, would it be filet magnon?
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02/05/2003 5:22 PM
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filet magnon?
Or would they be eating Cro?
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02/05/2003 6:07 PM
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And would it be fil- LET min- YON? or fi- LAY MAG-non? or vice versa and every which way? 
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02/05/2003 8:21 PM
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I think it would be fil-AY main-YON.
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#94301
02/05/2003 9:43 PM
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I'd plump for Beef Wellington, meownself! Is this turning into another of those interminable food threads?
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#94302
02/06/2003 12:19 AM
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Roxanne! just because somebody had to say it
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#94303
02/06/2003 12:23 AM
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err, wouldn't that be Dulcinea?
Cyrano!
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02/06/2003 12:27 AM
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Yep, et', but sometimes Juan follows subtle mental paths--and he may be playin' the part of a rascal here. I assume nothin' on this board. Question is: now what do Don Quixote and Cyrano have in common? Second question is: Did those 23 prisoners get et?
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#94305
02/06/2003 12:48 AM
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Cyrano?Congratulations, eta...you win an all-expense paid trip to La Mancha!!
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02/06/2003 12:54 AM
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Ho! Say, what do I win? a Ferrari? no? well, excuuuuuuse me! !
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02/06/2003 1:11 AM
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En MEH-hee-co, we say Don(rhymes with cone) Key-HOE-tay day la MAN-cha, señores. The cha has a very slight softening to the ch. Softer than Charlie, harder than Charlene.
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02/06/2003 1:35 AM
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etaoin: we might take up a collection and buy you a Rosinante.
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#94309
02/06/2003 3:52 AM
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In reply to:
Interesting that we've Anglicised the pronunciation for quixotic
It always used to be Don Kwiksoht until some people decided they wanted to show that they knew Spanish, and Don Ki-ho-te started to take over.
It's interesting that Gibbon always calls the French kings Lewis. I wonder whether that was just him or whether it was general in the 18th century, and if so when it became usual to use the French spelling.
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#94310
02/06/2003 11:15 AM
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used to be Don Kwiksoht until some people decided they wanted to show that they knew Spanish
Far as I know, USns has always pronounced it Kee-HO-tay. Kwicksoht allus sounded iggerunt to me.
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02/06/2003 1:47 PM
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Gibbon always calls the French kings Lewis
Eww-ww-ww...that is both arrogant and disrespectful. GRR. How would he like to be called Ape, I wonder??
OH MY GOSH, I had just been thinking that it sounded like he had bowdlerized the name. Then I went to x-refer to find Gibbon's first name, and look:
Bowdler Dr Thomas 1754 1825
...which cannot with propriety be read aloud in a family'. He also published (posthumously) Edward Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, for the use of Families and Young...
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