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01/27/2003 4:15 PM
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Llagerrub. I love it.
All seriousness aside, is this play ever produced as a play? I can only ever remember hearing about or seeing "readings". The actors may be dressed up in costumes, but they always seem to be reading the script, rather than acting the play.
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#93276
01/27/2003 4:28 PM
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Yes, it's produced as a stage production all the time....it's an enchanting experience. And it's become something of a standard for university drama departments to produce, since it is such good voice-training. >Jackie said: the actors must have to have mellifluous voices< All good actors should have rich voices, the voice is the actor's instrument, their tool...traditionally, stage actors were trained to fill 'the room' with the resonance and projection of their voices, "to hit the back wall" as it was called in theatrical circles. I view the day that microphones were introduced to the Broadway stage as a dark, blasphemous day for the art of the theatre, and I still cringe whenever I see a miked stage production...it dilutes, terribly, the intimacy of live theatrical performance. Good actors have good voices. And, remember, Dylan Thomas was Welsh. And the Welsh tradition of oratory is almost sacred to them. The Welsh view the majesty of a rich human voice, through oratory or singing, with a respect and reverence like no other...except perhaps the Irish. That's why Thomas's poetry is some of the most oratorical verse ever written, which I celebrate since I've always viewed poetry as an oratorical, or even dramatic, artform. (see Walt Whitman  )
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01/27/2003 5:08 PM
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another Under Milkwood note:
Faldage, it is usually produced with a minimalist set, as per the author's directions, in much the same manner as Edgar Lee Master's Spoon River Anthology, or Thornton Wilder's Our Town. And like those other productions, when done well, you come away with a heightened consiousness for the beauty and appreciation of life, our everyday life...it elevates simplicity to a transcendence we tend to overlook while immersed in the busy-ness of daily living.
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01/27/2003 5:12 PM
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Chacun à son goût, mais pour moi - hubbub.
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01/28/2003 5:29 AM
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one more note:
I meant to mention that Under Milkwood is also frequently presented in the script-in-hand format called "reader's theatre" (which is what you probably saw, Faldage), sometimes with just podiums, sometimes with open staging. But fully rehearsed and directed, not a cold reading.
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01/28/2003 4:04 PM
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At some point you earn your poet's license. Dylan Thomas and, oh my, James Joyce are good examples. Until that time it's in the common interest if we lesser mortals observe the conventions, such as they are.
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01/28/2003 4:54 PM
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At some point you earn your poet's license. Dylan Thomas and, oh my, James Joyce are good examples. Until that time it's in the common interest if we lesser mortals observe the conventions, such as they are.
I strongly disagree. Creative writers, as artists, have every right to experiement with their work in language and form as they see fit, no matter at what level of stature or accomplishment they are perceived to be, just as every painter has the artistic freedom to experiment with the stroke of the brush. Whether it works or not is up to the audience and the critics. Writers like Dylan Thomas, Eugene Ionesco, e.e. cummings, Ray Bradbury, William Faulkner (he of the 5 page sentences) did not suddenly leap to a new style in the mid-course of their careers just because they'd achieved some stature, that was always their style. In fact, they got noticed because they dared to be different. The notion that someone should somehow deem to sanction literary artists the 'right' to experimentation at some point in their careers is just absurd.
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#93282
01/29/2003 6:14 AM
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Very late in-to this thread. Well, all of them ac-tu-ally. I have-n't been here in weeks. Any-way, where in the blue blazes did any-one get the no-tion that you could leg-i-ti-mate-ly in-tro-duce a hy-phen into a word which has nev-er been graced by one in the past? I de-tect the fell hand of Whit-man O'-Neill here, I do.
- Pfranz
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#93283
01/29/2003 9:00 AM
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01/29/2003 12:46 PM
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I think you just legitimately did so, CK! No, he's kind of illegitimate...(not really, but I just had to follow up that line!)
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01/29/2003 3:37 PM
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No, he's kind of illegitimate...
Which kind?
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#93286
01/29/2003 3:40 PM
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Very late in-to this thread. Well, all of them ac-tu-ally. I have-n't been here in weeks. Any-way, where in the blue blazes did any-one get the no-tion that you could leg-i-ti-mate-ly in-tro-duce a hy-phen into a word which has nev-er been graced by one in the past? I de-tect the fell hand of Whit-man O'-Neill here, I do.My hand has been called a lot of things before, Cap, but never "fell".  And I've never been to the Blue Blazes, is it nice there?  EDIT: Dunno why I didn't do this before...but hub-bub, with the hyphen, gets 5,720 hits on Google, so it ain't just me an' TEd, folks! 
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01/29/2003 3:50 PM
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it ain't just me an' TEd, folks!
Hubbub, without the hyphen, gets 61,600, so it might as well be just you and TEd.
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01/29/2003 3:57 PM
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It just occurred to me that we need a name for this new "science" of looking things up on Google and comparing numbers of hits for some kind of democratic opinion of things. I propose Googology.
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01/29/2003 4:01 PM
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It just occurred to me that we need a name for this new "science" of looking things up on Google and comparing numbers of hits for some kind of democratic opinion of things.It's the new comparative linguistic science of tsuwmology, and the fact that it's now wrecking havoc with standardized forms is obviously a mute point.....so what's all the hub-bub about?
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01/29/2003 4:04 PM
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Hubbub, without the hyphen, gets 61,600, so it might as well be just you and TEd.Oh, so 5,720 people don't count, are deemed as non-existent, because they're different, huh?... fascist!
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01/29/2003 4:09 PM
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Googology seems to be already taken and relates to the number googol. (YCLIU) Googlology might could be a better term. You might wanna see what these guys have to say about it. http://www.googlology.info/2003/01/15.html
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01/29/2003 4:13 PM
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deemed as non-existent
Betcha if you google hard enough, you'll might could find yourself a support group.
It's called democrat, Juan
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01/29/2003 4:23 PM
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It's called democrat, JuanOh, so the majority is always "right" or "good" in a Democracy? See Aristotle! Mebbe the majority rules, but. However, invalidating whole groups of people just because they're in the minority is at least aristocracy, if not downright fascistic. 60,000 use hubbub and close to 6,000 use hub-bub...those are the clear facts, the reality...deal with it.
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01/29/2003 4:35 PM
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Oh, OK, Juan. You're not invalid. Just wrong.
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01/29/2003 4:37 PM
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OK, I guess what we do is applied Googlology, a very specific sub-field of Googlology where we use Google's numerical results to prove a point. I don't really like the extra l, though. Don't we have a long history in the English language of doing away with letters we don't like the sound of? And I don't think we can name it after tsuwm because he's wasn't the first to use Google hits as an argument. Was he?
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01/29/2003 4:41 PM
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Problem's not with leaving out the "extra" l; it's that pesky o between it and the g. Makes it look like it's about googol and not Google®.
How about Googlemetrics?
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01/29/2003 4:44 PM
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Oh, okay, Faldo...form you I'll take a half-capitulation as a victory (Debate 101). Glad you came around to see it my way!  And, besides, "Tomorrow Belongs To Me!"
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01/29/2003 5:54 PM
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>And I don't think we can name it after tsuwm
juan was just alluding to this weeks wwftd theme wherein I've been using googlemetrics to prove my point that certain expressions are much maligned. I see now that I could have included hubbub's recherche alternative.
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01/29/2003 6:16 PM
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And could we call the amount of hits the word form gets it's Googleocity? (Googolocity? Googlocity? None of the three look right. ) i.e.: What's the Googleocity of hub-bub?
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01/29/2003 6:48 PM
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How about the Googular rank of hub-bub?
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01/29/2003 6:54 PM
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the Googular rank
Sure that's not Googlear?
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01/29/2003 6:55 PM
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ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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01/29/2003 7:04 PM
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I thought you'd like that.
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01/29/2003 7:08 PM
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I was editing a piece by a college professor. English professor, at that. He used the term causus belli [sic]. I was curious to see if this was a common mistake, so I googled it.
causus belli - 968 hits.
casus belli - 27,600 hits.
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01/29/2003 7:59 PM
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It seems to be a conflation of casus belli and causa belli, both of which are correct, each in its own way.
Causa belli gets only 725 on the Googlometer, but don't tell Juan.
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01/29/2003 8:29 PM
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but don't tell JuanI HEARD THAT! Sure that's not Googlear?Ooph!...that's really going for the juglear!
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01/29/2003 9:50 PM
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Well, although I think we've worked out that the likelihood of "google" the verb being included in the OED any time soon is pretty remote, it all kind of begs the question about the continued usage of the word with or without OED sanction. As if the language ever hung around waiting for it. Nearly everyone I know who uses the web talks about "googling" things, even when they're using Yahoo! or one of the other search engines. Even 'er indoors. The fact is, however, that the googlification of the web is not a science and no one (apart from a few hardened sandal-and-beard wearing nerds at Stanford, of course) is trying to turn what is basically just a tool, albeit a very useful one, into a science. So Googlology is a study without students or professors or much of a literature, and is therefore redundant. Don't you like "googlification" as a noun? I do! - Pfranz
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01/29/2003 9:59 PM
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I love this!! What's its provenance? Local? Zild?
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01/30/2003 2:44 AM
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Don't you like "googlification" as a noun? Ok, but. Is it pronounced goog-lification, or, more true to the sound of the name, google-ification? If it's the latter, yes, I love it. Google-ification! Google-ification! It can make a wonderful Fantasy vacation! (No applause please, just throw money!)
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01/30/2003 4:29 AM
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In reply to:
60,000 use hubbub and close to 6,000 use hub-bub...those are the clear facts, the reality...
Actually no. Perhaps those using hub-bub (or indeed hubbub) are more prolific writers, thus artificially boosting their score. Hits = websites not people.
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01/30/2003 5:23 AM
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Actually no. Perhaps those using hub-bub (or indeed hubbub) are more prolific writers, thus artificially boosting their score. Hits = websites not people.I think you're right, Bingley. Those befuddled hubbubbers are definitely the more prolific writers...so that settles it then. Thanks! 
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01/30/2003 8:22 AM
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Cross-threading with Jackie, if we name this new democratic process after tsuwm, then we can atsuwm the results are correct and to accept the lower number of hits would be to make a false atsuwmption. Anything could be decided this way, even elections, so instead of an expensively elected prime minister we could have the atsuwmption of Tony Blair.
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01/30/2003 9:12 AM
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01/30/2003 9:22 AM
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Mmmm. Astsuwming you're right, then we should also use an s before the t in astsuwm. That's OK. Its estsewntial to get it right.
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