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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Re: Canadian raised diphthong #92968 02/10/2003 7:50 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York Thanks, Bean! (and birdfeed) Guess I was sort of on the right track, but that and a dollar will get me a bad cup of coffee. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: hock, hawk and other US regionalisms #92969 02/11/2003 12:34 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky insinuated that those of us who don't differentiate between those vowels are pronouncing things improperly As to this, I'm just a stick(ler) in the mud. But as to lout/loud. Loud ends up so much longer than lout. , well, y'all people are just weird! Eep--I just tried it, and be danged if loud isn't just a little bit longer! Oops! Aside: isn't it neat, that your thread that seemed to start out as being relevant to just a few, has transmogrified and grown the way it has? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Non-Canadian English survey #92970 02/27/2003 5:15 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta From the most recent two issues of Michael Quinion's newsletter: 15 Feb: Subscribers who are native speakers of North American English are likely to find the Dialect Survey of interest. This was created by Professor Bert Vaux at Harvard University. You can take a test and view the collected results, which include maps. See where people say the vowel in "cot" and "caught" the same way, where they use double models as in "I might could do that", where they consider "anymore" to be a standard form meaning "nowadays", or any of 120 other variations. See: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~golder/dialect/ 22 February: A number of Canadian subscribers attempted to register at the dialect site I listed last week, which describes itself on its home page as "designed for speakers of North American English", but found to their surprise and disgruntlement on trying to take the test that they were not considered to be North American. Not being in that category, I didn't try the test, so didn't discover the error. I did assume, though, that a linguistic site would know what it meant when it wrote "North American English"! Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Non-Canadian English survey #92971 02/27/2003 11:09 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 didn't discover the error. From the site: speakers of all varieties of English are welcome to take the test. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Harrumph® #92972 02/27/2003 1:05 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel AnnaStrophic Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 6,511 lower upstate New York That's really bush league (no pun intended). The one and only serious, scholarly and comprehensive dialect survey was started by the late Frederic Cassidy and is being continued by the qualified folks at the University of Wisconsin. Aside from the absurdities cited above, from what I've seen of this, the questions are leading and presuppose the respondents can actually *hear themselves; also there don't seem to be any qualifications (long-term residency, at least) established for the informants. And what's a 'double model?' Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Bingley! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Canadian English survey #92973 02/27/2003 2:34 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA There's a group at McGill University doing a survey on English word usage in Canada. All you have to do is email them at canadian_english@mcgill.ca At the bottom of the form I received it notes the survey may be returned to : Prof Charles Berg, Dept of Linguistics, McGill University, 1085 Dr. Penfield, Montreal, QC, H3A 1A7 Canada -- Tel (514) 398-4896 -- FAX : (514) 398-7088 -- E-Mail : charles.boberg@mcgill.ca I took it, so did a couple of my neighbors, my son and the young gal who comes in to help around the house. Some interesting differences and similarities! Age range from early 20s to me in 70s! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Harrumph® #92974 02/27/2003 4:01 PM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,066 Likes: 2 Worcester, MA wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel wofahulicodoc Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 11,066 Likes: 2 Worcester, MA And what's a 'double model? Aha! Found it. It's not "model", it's "modal"! Like could, would, ought to, etc. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Harrumph® #92975 02/27/2003 4:07 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 It's not "model", it's "modal"! Lost in the Chasm of Sar without a paddle. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Can you canoe? #92976 02/27/2003 8:38 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago musick Carpal Tunnel musick Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,661 Chicago Sorry, I'm 17 days late, I didn't think there was so much fun going on up 'ere in I+A. I pronounce hock and hawk differently. I can't say I recall ever hearing them blur together, 'cept maybe in Boston... which would explain why the 'stereotypical' south side Chicago accent may also blur thier distinction. Hock - Exchange goods for money at a "pawn shop". Hocker - Is organic and it comes from your throat after you say the word "hocker" a few times... Hawk - Is the guy who does the White 'Sox' (pronounced like 'hocks') color commentary. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 3 of 3 1 2 3 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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