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L'Ayleur delayWonderful  I have often thought about forming a Guy Fawkes Party, with the intention of re-introducing fireworks (big time) to the Mother of Parliaments, raddled old whore that she's become!
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Sorry but Buck House goes first. At least Pugin was an architect (frothy though he may have been). Buck House, to me, seems to have no redeeming features. (We might even be able to get rid of some of the less savoury Royals...)
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Oh Fredbear is a fuzzy wuzzy bear!
Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear
Fuzzy wuzzy had no hair
Fuzzy wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy, was he?
and as for th sound like a f in beginning of a word, I guess the river is the fames, or "fems" not not the "tems"?
Is it a general rule (I've never noticed it--) or a sometimes rule?
Lost in one of the threads is a bit about Cockney's and Heagles, and Howls and 'awks.
In part of Appalachia, (US), Its becomes Hits, but only when Its is first word of the sentence, or some other very special circumstances.
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Is it a general rule (I've never noticed it--) or a sometimes rule?
I don't know if you have ever seen, or have access to, a BBC soap called EastEnders (it fil ne bet ne werse than any others), but, exaggerated though it may be, the accents pretty accurately reflect the East End/near Essex accent of which (along with RP) Estuary English is the bastard child. The point is that the 'f' and 'v' thing is virtually a rule:
bruv/bruvver (brother)
fick (thick)
I have also noticed, over the past few years, the tendency of those with sarf Lunnon accents to slur their esses ('s's), so 'stupid' comes out 'shtupid' and so on. This is a tendency particularly prevalent amongst teenage girls (in my experience) and women in their early twenties. Has anybody else noticed it? Is there an explanation?
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I have my doubts about Tsuwm - whom I strongly suspect of being one of Alan Turing's Universal Machines, or perhaps one of Rossum's Universal Robots
No no - Tsuwm is just Tsuwm.
The Tsuwm that can be named is not the eternal Tsuwm.
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an explanation?Yeah - they's fick as two short plangs ooh, who says Pugin was an architect - he only decorated the cake!
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>Tsuwm is just Tsuwm.
shona, you have grasped the true polysemous battology of my being.
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Hey folks (definitely not 'guys' in this context) Just come down to Lewes and we can watch an anarchic and satirical tableau go up gloriously, and the best firework display you're likely to see in the UK ( says he moderately)!!! Check out the Clinton tableau at the bottom of the Gallery under: http://www.cliffebonfire.co.ukMind you, Site appears to be very popular at the mo, so be patient. P.S. Friends over the Pond - you may also find this amusing.
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polysemous battologyHmmm...more meanings than Kali has arms... but "battology" I suspect of being a category 4 Meaningless Word. ( throws down gauntlet)
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>but "battology" I suspect of being a category 4 Meaningless Word. au contraire, mon ami, it is a category 3 Worthless Word (YCLIU) http://members.aol.com/tsuwm/abc.htm#battology
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Lost in one of the threads is a bit about Cockney's and Heagles, and Howls and 'awks.
In part of Appalachia, (US), Its becomes Hits, but only when Its is first word of the sentence, or some other very special circumstances. Which brings me to the one feature of "standardised" US accent that grates like a verbal fingernail across the blackboard of my soul - why do so many Americans, almost all whom I have heard, pronounce herd and herbal as 'erb and 'erbal. Many seem to say yuman instead of human. Does anybody know how this speech pattern developed? P.S. for any who are not familiar with "blackboard" think "chalkboard." I was going to modify it in the body of my post, but then I recalled my encouragement to Avy to celebrate his own unique English, and so decided not to. 
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>grates like a verbal fingernail across the blackboard of my soul
what are we to use for a simile when chalk/fingernails on black/chalkboards are totally replaced by whiteboards and markers?
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>what are we to use for a simile when chalk/fingernails on black/chalkboards are totally replaced by whiteboards and markers?
oh, tsuwm, it will be a PC expression, as those who are unfamiliar with it, decide it is racial.
A town on Long Island (lawng guylan) recently had to change the name of Guinnie Woods Road, since some 2nd and 3rd generation Italians (new to the area) thought it to be a slur on Italians.
It was named for a woods that provide fine hunting a 100 years ago for guinne fowl– a variety of chicken!
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helen, we'll give that one today's Niggardly Award.
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pronounce herd and herbal as 'erb and 'erbal
Do you pronounce the H in herb? I can remember being scolded as a child because I said herb like it was spelled. Then when I met a man named Herb and pronounced his name Erb everyone looked at me as if I were insane. It was quite a challenge for little 6 year old me to figure out why it was ok to call pronounce a man's name different than the plant's name with the same spelling. I don't know why it is pronounced differently on opposing sides of the pond, but my dictionary says
herb \'erb. US also & Brit usu 'herb\
so obviously Websters' acknowleges the distinction between a British herb and an American erb...
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Max, Sweetie,
You must not have "herd" any Americans from my part of the
country. I've never heard the word 'herd' spoken as anything but a homonym of heard. I will say that I have heard 'erbal, but herbal too. I have never heard anyone
say yuman.
And, we had blackboards in our classrooms years ago. Now they seem to be green. Usually, the term chalkboard was used to indicate a freestanding one, maybe on an easel.
Er--Helen, my Uncle Bennett had guinea fowl on his farm, so my experience tells me they are not chickens. They never would let me catch them, the little beggars!
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[jackie, I think "herd" was a typo]
It's a little known fact that, in the early days of TV, a homespun midwestern comedian named Herb Shriner was responsible for changing the pronunciation of 'herb'. Herb made many appearances on the old Ed Sullivan show, the most popular TV show in America back in the 50s. Herb used to like to tell tales about his folks back in Indiana and often peppered his stories with tastes of his mother's and sisters' kitchen talk. He would often use the expression "erbs and spices" to avoid confusion with his own given name.
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Thanks, tsuwm for that jazzy explanation, and yes, of course, "herd" was a typo. It just seems odd that herb (and derivatives thereof) and human should for some reason be pronounced differently from other words starting with "h."
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Fascinating twu,
You really are loosening up these days - is it medication? Take several doses of meaningless drivel daily and you too can sound like Jazzoctopus.
We did discuss the re-Franglicisation of words in the mists of time. Another usage that non-US English speakers find strange is fillet (feel-lay) rather than our fil-let. There was a rather sensible proposal that if a word has been absorbed into the English language for more than 100 years, then it's just tough - we pronounce it our way. If it's a new word then we'll use the pronunciation from the country which donated the word. (Anyway isn't l'erbe something to do with grass, not herbs?)
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I must say, tsuwm, quite comendable, but don't you go taking my reputation. You can have your worthless words, but you can't have my piffle.
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Herb Shriner was, of course, a real person and Hoosier commedian -- had I really wanted to jazz up the story I would have called him Herb Spicer.  >You really are loosening up these days - is it medication? I suppose what it is, actually, is the steady degeneration, drib by drab, of my execrable wwftd master personna. soon I will be nothing but a shadow of my former sylph. -ron (who's a degenerate?!) obvious
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[jackie, I think "herd" was a typo]
No, I put the quotation marks deliberately, to show that I was making a play on words.
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< Guys and Dolls>
In the words (and music) of Frank Loesser:
"When the smell of the rain-washed pavement
Comes up clean and fresh and cold
And the street lamplight fills the gutters with gold.
That's my time of day, my time of day,
And you're the only doll I've ever wanted to share it with me."
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And if I were a bell I'd be ringing!
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The point is that the 'f' and 'v' thing is virtually a rule
Except in the word Thames (as mentioned earlier) - I suppose that as the "Th" is already pronounced as the single consonant "t" this is a variation of the rule. "Th" as "f" or "v" unless it is already pronounced "t".
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"Hey there, guy, - would you like a glass of wine?"
Well Mav, old fruit, how do you feel about the word "chap"?
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And if I were a bell I'd be ringing!
Um--if I were a song, I'd be singing?
paulb, Darlin', that was lovely--thank you! You are gold to me.
Now, Jo--just what kind of fruit are you supposing maverick is? Let's see--I believe he is one of our number who likes
numbers, and he is quick off the mark...I will say he is a bananosecond. (That is not original. The actual joke is that that is the definition of how much time elapses between slipping on the peel and smacking the
pavement.)
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Guys and Dolls: the best musical of all time (working my way toward addict status)
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Mav, old fruit, how do you feel about the word "chap"?Pip, pip, old bean! And Jackie, though that banana is a pealing in some ways, I think my Upright Young Citizens would probably rather suggest the humble prune: occasionaly stoned, increasingly wrinkly, and often straining for a joke!
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Except in the word Thames...
... which is not to be confused with the Tames also of London, and its sister, the Sunday Tames.
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Dear Pruny,
You are the apple of my eye. No one compears with you.
Your papaya sure was raisin you right (on the Isle of Wight?). You make some berry grape jokes. Avocado more?
Orange you glad I lime you?
Cherry-o,
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Avocado more? No, I'm out of stock - I work on a juiced in time delivery system.
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> but then I recalled my encouragement to Avy to celebrate his own unique English,
Her! her! her!
- I never realised a "shona" had been happening to me too.
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Avy, I'm sorry I didn't catch that. How could anybody not
know you're a female? That's a new one on me!
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In reply to:
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- I never realised a "shona" had been happening to me too.
I am so sorry! I have just read through all your posts, hoping to get a clear sign from one of the posts you made prior to my blundering in here, but nothing I read in any of your fifty-seven posts listed gave me an unequivocal answer. This, of course, means that I have been guilty of the most base phallocentrism, for which I crave your indulgence. What makes it worse is that my misconception may have been coloured by cultural stereotyping as well - a perception of India as a very male-dominated society. After a gaffe like that, I think it's time for me make my quietus. 
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After a gaffe like that ...
It's inevitable that we will get people's gender wrong as we have no way of knowing from the personal biogs (I'll just nip off and check that) - perhaps we should have a line which says "preferred personal pronoun". In RhubarbCommando's case we would need to include the option "it". I wonder if we really do add or subtract fromthe board by not knowing - perhaps we should wander over to poster sex if we want to continue this discussion.
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Avy
My apologies too - I always assumed you were male. I have an excuse, though: all the Avys/Avis I knew in India were male. Oooops.
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Her! her! her!…Avy, did anyone tell you that you have a lovely laugh? And is ‘to shona’ (bless you!) going to get adopted like Max’s ‘claytons’? If so, I propose that it defines: the state of being shemailed when posting to a socially ambiguous board. Ps: I thought the aside to which I responded hello s'ayleur had sorted out the Lancaster question
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> for which I crave your indulgence.
Max don't worry about it! ... my profile isn't very helpful either. So I have changed it. It has now become the window to my soul. :)
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the window to my soul. :) My dear sweet Avy, I suppose it is... Max, it's not polite to make a quietus in public. And, mav--my goodness, are you propositioning (did I just verb a noun?) my beloved Rhuby?
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