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tsuwm's thread about new words went of thread, but it has kept me thinking..
One word from his original list, boondocks is from Tagalog (M-W 10th Collegiate agrees with me on that) (rough mountainous country)
but in thinking, realize i also like
Meme and prion
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I like prion, too--sounds vaguely worshipful, doesn't it? Helen, I think you ought to have posted this under the original thread--we occasionally--no, sometimes--no, wait--often--no, frequently--oh heck, ALWAYS need to be guided back on track! 
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Helen, I think you ought to have posted this under the original thread
Aksherly, I quite like the trend among many ayleurs to throttle back the old wordster and rev it up in a new thread, when the old track gets a bit too long and serpentine. It makes it easier to keep an eye out for cunning coelacanths cycling swiftly past, reminding all ayleurs to put the pedal to the metal in their wondrous wordsters.
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You only used it twice Max  . Oh, and if I say it in French, phonetically, it means "Hey, their's".
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< Hey, their's …
… You with the stars in your eyes …
(sorry, just singing along there)
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Question: How long does it take a new thread to get "off track"
Answer: I'll leave it to you to answer - I suppose it just depends on the weather, the kind of way people got up in the morning and who happens to see it first.
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This ayleur agrees. Meme a great word, and prion (though something awful), is a good word too.
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Question: How long does it take a new thread to get "off track"It also depends on whether the track is in water (by the way, coelacanths are rare animals), on sand, or on solid earth  ..
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IN solid earth...but ask Shona, he should know about these relatives come back to life.
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Hey, their's …
… You with the stars in your eyes …Now, ain't that just the cat's pajamas! Game to you, paulb!
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Question: How long does it take a new thread to get "off track"
As soon as it meets a bear called Fred,
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> a bear called Fred<
I don't a bear called Fred..
I know Fuzzy Wuzzy bear..
and the famous Mondagreen bear, Gladly (the Crossed-eyed bear)...
who is a bear called Fred?
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>...a bear called Fred.
did I miss the "calling a thread a Fred" thread, or is this just some private campaign that you Brits have unspooled?
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Dunno about a Brit campaign, but Fred for thread is obviously Brit in origin - given the habits of pronunciation that some groups in London have...
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ask ShonaAt first I thought somebody had a lisp and we were talking about containers for a soft drink with vegetable extracts. Very confuthing. Tho I athked Webthter, and Webthter, he thay: coe·la·canth
Etymology: ultimately from Greek koilos hollow akantha spine
: any of an order (Coelacanthiformes) of lobe-finned fishes known chiefly from Paleozoic and Mesozoic fossils
"Hollow spine"? Nah. Hollow skull, possibly. Hollow legs - or rather hollow (lobed) fins - almost definitely. Oh, I just wanted to say "Hey!" to all you Ayleurs out there. Perhaps that should be "Hail Ayleurs!" as "Hey! Ayleurs" sounds like it's leading up to a telling-off. "Hello Ayleurs!" is right out for now, as an "s" has a tendency to creep in between the two words, and Rhub (fellow enthusiastic Ayleur) has had enough of Swan Lake, apparently. So how should one Ayleur greet another? I mean another Ayleur, of course. Well, being Ayleurs, we're never going to agree on that one, are we? -------------------------------------------------------- BELATED AFTERTHOUGHToops.-----------------------------------------------------
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My hackles are going up. I am not an ayleur. I do not want to be an ayleur. I have already forgotten what the letters stand for, as I have the first F in FF.
Too gol-durned many new-fangled doohickies 'round this-here place fer me!
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I am not an ayleur
I'm gonna have to agree with Jackie on this one guys. About twice a day I have to stop and think what does ayleu stand for (can't just let an acronym go by without knowing what it means) and it doesn't even mean anything!
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and it doesn't even mean anything!This sounds exactly like the Von Trapp children telling Maria that do-re-mi means nothing. Of course, as any etymologist knows, Ayleu = anything you like - except unanimous. The 'r' at the end is gratuitous - much like most of us. BTW Jackie - I love the polite little 'Grr' with which you titled your post. Very ladylike! cheer the sunshine (grooming fur) warrior
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Thanks Rhubarb! It looks like Jackie could do with a drink. Hernando's?
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Thank you, shanks and paulb! It's nice to know that somebody cares, even if (shanks) we disagree! Er--what's Hernando's, please? Whatever it is, I think I could do with one or six about now, never mind that it's eight o'clock in the morning. pss-st--can't resist: I still don't like ayleur! Take that, you linguaphile/philosopher, you!
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Whatever it may be - one virtual Hernando's coming up for Jackie! Ayleur extraordinaire
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>>This sounds exactly like the Von Trapp children telling Maria that do-re-mi means nothing.
Isn't it a bit pretentious to compare ayleur with do-re-mi?
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Mmmm this is getting interesting I love a scrap.
I've given up trying to think of a name that anyone will agree with ages ago. Wake me up if you ever reach any kind of consensus.
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Isn't it a bit pretentious to compare ayleur with do-re-mi?
Pretentious? Moi? Dah-ling, that is too divine. You haven't seen me do pretentious yet. Tendentious, yes. Odious, yes. But pretentious? O o o that Shakespeherian rag. It's elegant, so intelligent...
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Pretentious? Moi? Dah-ling, that is too divine.I am rolling! Oui, toi! Dahling, you ah tee-yoo funny! You, with the convolutions and contortions of thought (AND sentences!!) we have witnessed?? Oh, my Dear, I would adore seeing what you consider as pretentious! Maybe private, as I'm not sure how many others share my enthusiasm for you. Make it good, won't you? Thanks for the drink!
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I have to agree with Jackie.
I am a member of several museums, and libraries, and I go to theater
I am not a museumer, or a librarian, or any other group. I am me!
Why do we need a name for everyone? I thinks it's a way of shutting people out.
Okay all of you out there with reference books handy (I am at work, and supposed to be working, and its bad enough I am do this without going off and searching the web, getting distracted...) Please provide the author and corrections if needed--I learned this in grade school-- back in mumble mumble....
Heretic, rebel, lout
He drew a circle that shut us out.
But Love and I had the wit to win,
We drew a circle that brought him in!
I felt welcome when I first posted on this board, I don't want it to be filled with all sorts of jargon to make it hard for others to feel welcome. (I am not even sure I like Stranger/newbie/etc...) and can't get caught up in the idea of graduating. though I will admit of all of them I like stranger best..(stranger than what?)
our on screen names, pun and obscure reference are more than enough to distinguish us.
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Why do we need a name for everyone? I thinks it's a way of shutting people out.
Ah, but I don't think that anyone is seriously suggesting that all who post here be called ayleurs, or anything else. I use ayleur for two main reasons. The first, and this is most important since it governs my choivce of language more than any other factor, is that I like the sound of it. It is aesthetically pleasing to me, and since I tend to speak what I type, I get to say a "pretty" word. The second reason is that using it demonstrates the truth of the phrase behind the acronym - you can indeed call us Anything You Like Except Unanimous. Think of all the fascinating highways and byways we have travelled during the course of the "who are we" discussion. The fact that some wordsters feel so strongly opposed to ayleur is great, because strongly held opinions, stated by such articulate, intelligent people, can but generate new threads. To paraphrase Tolkien:
"The Thread goes ever on and on
Down from the board where it began.
Now far ahead the thread has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it on ayleur's feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many words and ideas meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.
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max, nicely stated; but this started out as a question as to how to address the group, and Jackie doesn't like to be called that word and Helen doesn't want to exclude anyone -- these are legitimate points. maybe we should resort to a simple "hey guys!" [for which see a very interesting piece at Maven's word of the day for Nov. 1] http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/
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thanks, tsuwm, I don't mind being one of the guys or even one of those word guys or even one of those wierd word guys. Being one of the guys has a nice sence of inclusion! How do get to be one of the guys-- why just read and post!
It might not work for the guys over the other side of the pond-- how do you all feel about being one of the guys?
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I see your point tsuwm - the apology I intended should have been less oblique. I wanted to exp[lain that I use ayleur just for fun, and not as a label imposed on others against their will. If anybody feels that I have been calling them by an appellation they detest, I do apologise, as it was never my intent to offend anyone.
As to the "guy" link, it was a nice reminder of the different paths taken by Britain's former colonies - NZ still observes Guy Fawke's day. In fact, the sale of fireworks in NZ is only legal for a ten-day period ending on November 5. The history of "guy" very well known here, though probably less so now than formerly, as NZ distances itself from its colonial past. The only possible reason I can see for NZers to commemorate an attempt four hundred years ago to destroy the British Parliament would be a sort of surrogate wish fulfillment!
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Well, I haven't said much, if anything really, on this subject, but I think I'd have to say that I don't care much for the name 'ayleur'. I would like to propose a name that has been surprisingly neglected as a possibility, but has a great deal to do with this website. We all ascribe to this moniker from time to time and I think it really gets down to the guts of what the site is all about, plus, the sound has a nice flavor to it. I propose we call ourselves wordsmiths.
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We all ascribe to this moniker from time to time ... I propose we call ourselves wordsmiths.Not all of us, Jazzoctopus. I have never, and will never, call myself a wordsmith. The word carries an implication of skill and craftmanship in the use of words. My hubris doesn't stretch far enough for me to apply "wordsmith" to myself, even though it is undoubtedly apt for others.
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Much though I dislike having to say it, 'guys' or something equally neutral will probably do just fine. As I recall, the whole business started because someone wanted a more positive, or rousing way in which to get the attention of all the 'guys' here. Certainly the notion was not to exclude anybody by having a special word, or an 'in' group that nobody else could belong to. In fact, if, say, 'ayleur' had found favour, then by definition, anybody who posted here would be an 'ayleur' - all are welcome. As a second point - you are not necessarily defined by your appellation. I could be an ayleur, a temp, a man, a bachelor, a Brit, and many more things besides. What would get my goat, though, would be somebody deciding to treat me as if I was only, and exclusively, one of those things. I doubt that the 'guys' here are in danger of suffering from that - we know too much about the language, and about the Internet. To believe that anybody here is purely a 'guy' or an 'ayleur' would be so silly as to be almost surreal. (Actually, I have my doubts about Tsuwm - whom I strongly suspect of being one of Alan Turing's Universal Machines, or perhaps one of Rossum's Universal Robots?) cheer the sunshine warrior
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"...Then let the trumpets sound the tucket sonance..."
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Or General Problem-Solving Computer? (All Hail General PS 'Puter? Don't sPute wid de squinch-owl?)
Sigh of relief - this is the Wordplay and fun forum, so I'm allowed to be silly.
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who is a bear called Fred?
Sorry its taken so long to reply, Helen, - it's a reference to an old, tired joke about Bear parents whose new cub had very tatty fur, so they called him Fredbare.
It has, indeed, got a lot to do with the fact that I am a Londoner, by upbringing if not, strictly speaking, by birth. It is part of the London speech pattern to pronounce "th" as "f" if the initial letter or "v" if the final one.
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GuyI have to dissent from this appellation. To me - and possibly to any other Brit of fairly mature years - the term "guy" is mildly abusive. To be a "guy", to me, is to be garishly decked out and looking grotesque, particularly if you have achieved this appearance by trying too hard to look sophisticated and soignée. It is a reference, of course, to the stuffed effigy that is burned annually on the bonfires of England on November 5th to celebrate the death of the martyr who nobly tried to rid this country of an oppressive monarch. Also, as a verb, to "guy" someone is to make fun of them by parodying their actions. The musical "Guys and Dolls," together with other Americam influences, has made the word at least understood in its transatlantic sense, and, for younger people especially, made it respectable. Time for that glass of wine and fast embrace with Jackie, eh paulb?But I can't bring myself to be at ease with the term, any more than I like ayleur (mainly because the redundant "r" offends my sense of propriety - sorry Max)
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the term "guy" is mildly abusive.
Oh my goodness, I never knew that! Here, guy is a generic term for any male you don't know, as in "the computer guy",
"the telephone guy", or "the guy we saw at the mall". So,
guy doesn't carry any pejorative connotation at all, here.
If we knew the guy we saw, we'd say, "We saw John at the mall".
The things I learn at this place! Thank you all.
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Don't get me wrong, Dearest Jackie! I wouldn't be offended if an american referred to me as a guy - indeed, I probably would n't be offended by anyone using the term - it's just that I wouldn't normally use it myself, especially not of myselfIf you want to test it out, meet me at Hernando's and say, "Hey there, guy, - would you like a glass of wine?"
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Who can forget the Derek and the Domino's classic:
"L'Ayleur, you've got me on my knees..."
And the Dylan ballad:
"L'Ayleur delay
Lay across my big brass bed..."
Or maybe we should become a new political party - the mondeGreens? (No use of unreplenishable words. Recycle words and phrases where possible. Sustainable communication for all!)
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