#88598
12/04/2002 2:50 AM
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One of the spellingbee words. Patients in OPD amused us by saying "yellow jaundice".
Actually there can be bile retention with bluish tint. I saw a dany case in a Chinese
restaurant in 1947. He had "doigts en baguettes de tambour", and was bluish green, not
yellow. I think it was a combination of jaundice and methemoglobinemia.
Incidentally, the restaurant across the street was named Hung Far Low. Honest.
But what puzzles me is I can't see any association of "icteric" with the color yellow.
Jaundice is easy, French "jaune" is yellow. But what color clue resides in "icteric"
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#88599
12/04/2002 3:03 AM
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The only thing I could find on Onelook was that "icteric" came from the Greek "ikteros" meaning simply "jaundice." I googled "ikteros" and read a few hits, but, again, only read that "ikteros" was Greek for "jaundice." Apparently it's used to mean "yellow" in some avian species.
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#88600
12/04/2002 11:42 AM
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Per my Greek dictionary, ikteros is the name of a bird of a yellowish green colour by looking at which a jaundiced person was cured; the bird died! Related words (ikteriau, ikterikos) have meanings related to jaundice but ikterias means a yellowish kind of stone.
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#88601
12/04/2002 1:18 PM
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Any connection between the "ic" in "icteric" and the "ic" in "rictus"? Probably not, but thought I'd ask.
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#88602
12/04/2002 2:16 PM
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whoops doubled up, sorry
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#88603
12/04/2002 2:16 PM
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According to the Liddle and Scott entry on ikteros ( http:// makeashorterlink.com/?A25E217A2) Pliny the Elder identifies the ikteros with the bird we now as the golden oriole. Bingley
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#88604
12/04/2002 4:56 PM
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Even closer might be the word for seizure, which is "ictus". Any connection found?
And exploiting my famous looseness of association: icterus ==> ictus ==> seizure ==> seize the moment ==> carpe diem ("Seize the day!") ==> carpals are wristbones ==> ==> is that because we use the wrist to seize objects with? (well, sort of, by exension, almost, maybe)
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#88605
12/05/2002 11:15 AM
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use the wrist to seize objects with?
You use your wrists? You might find that fingers work a little better.
Carpal traces back through Greek karpos, wrist, to IE kwerp-. No mention of carpere.
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#88606
12/05/2002 12:01 PM
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Bingley,
I couldn't get your link to come up.
I got the impression from reading about ikteros on Google that ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow.
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#88607
12/05/2002 1:46 PM
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ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow
Hey! Jaundice = yellow
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#88608
12/05/2002 1:55 PM
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But does jaundice = yellow, purely and wholly, or does jaundice = yellow from sickness?
In other words, would we be correct in using jaundice strictly as a color?
New Spring Line from Channel: That Little Jaundice Dress
Yikes!
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#88609
12/05/2002 2:08 PM
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Per AHD:
Middle English jaundis, jaunis, from Old French jaunice, yellowness, jaundice, from jaune, jalne, yellow, from Latin galbinus, yellowish.
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#88610
12/05/2002 3:38 PM
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Thank you, Faldage.  Jaundiced journalism has a striking ring to it, doesn't it?
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#88611
12/05/2002 5:27 PM
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isn't it a bit more chartreuse?
formerly known as etaoin...
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#88612
12/05/2002 5:36 PM
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a bit more chartreuse?
Depends. Yellow chartreuse or green chartreuse?
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#88613
12/05/2002 6:14 PM
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You can get yellow jaundice from drinking too much Chartreuse. Cheaper to go Gallo.
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#88614
12/05/2002 6:41 PM
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 Y'all're a hoot. And WW, is that Channel or Chanel? 
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#88615
12/05/2002 8:16 PM
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In reply to:
And WW, is that Channel or Chanel?
You're not an editor for nuthin'!
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#88616
12/05/2002 9:19 PM
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a long-dead relative once sent me the wrong music as a gag...
yep, I was channeled a chart ruse...
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#88617
12/06/2002 1:28 AM
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In reply to:
I got the impression from reading about ikteros on Google that ikteros = jaundice, not that ikteros = yellow.
Yes, it does mean jaundice. As Faldage said, it is also the name of a bird, the sight of which was supposed to cure jaundice. I was adding for the benefit of the ornithologically curious that the bird in question is the golden oriole.
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#88618
12/06/2002 1:33 AM
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So if you complained to a iatros about ikteros, he gave you the bird.And a "golden oriole"
is "golden gold"
oriole - 1776, from Fr. oriol, from L. aureolus "golden,"
from I.E. *aus- "gold."
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