#87739
11/24/2002 6:16 PM
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over in Q & A, AnnaS ask if mincemeat has meat in it.
the answer is yes and no... nowdays, most mincemeat does not have meat in it, but it still often contains suet, (ground beef fat) and fruits and nuts.
in the past, mince meat was a way of extending meat... ground meat, (sometimes almost rancid) was mixed with fruits and nuts (meats) spices, salt and sugar (of somesort) to hide the off taste and fat to make a 'meat'.
mincemeat, like rarebit (or welsh rabbit--something that has been done to death here!) it a case of a name sounding more meaty than the actual procuct.
but when poor peasants were not likely to see meat more than once or twice a year, mince meat was a good excuse for a main course.
just as today, we have veggie burgers (that have no meat) many dishes of the past had no or little meat, but meaty names.
in Pennsylvania area, frugal housewifes make scrapple- ground corn meal with bits of ground meat, (and lots of fat) to make something like a breakfast sausage. i suspect, they did something similar back home in germany or eastern europe-- scrapple doesn't have a meat name...
i can't think of other foods with misleading names.. but i am sure there are plenty.
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#87740
11/24/2002 6:19 PM
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other foods with misleading names
Sweetbreads
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#87741
11/24/2002 6:27 PM
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Trouble with mincemeat these days is you can't get permit to shoot a mince.
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#87742
11/24/2002 9:42 PM
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>the answer is yes and no... nowdays, most mincemeat does not have meat in it, but it still often contains suet, (ground beef fat) and fruits and nuts.
That may be true in your part of the world, but it ain't so here. Our food labelling regulations make sure that a thing is what is says it is. So the ghastly fruit stuff called "mincemeat" is labelled as "fruit mincemeat," making sure that those of who like mince to actually be mince don't get suckered into buying that hideous fruit mush.
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#87743
11/24/2002 9:58 PM
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Not until I was thirteen did I have have the supreme pleasue of trying Yorkshire pudding. I'd heard of Yorkshire pudding and wondered, as child, what it was. My experience of pudding had been Jell-O puddings and my mother's rice puddngs, which were nothing like the Jell-O ones.
When I finally did try Yorkshire pudding, I was surprised! This was a 'pudding' I liked very much, though it didn't seem to be a pudding at all. It seemed to be more a type of bread, like corn bread in a pan, but airier.
I've learned to make it over the years, and I do think that a roast beef with Yorkshire pudding is one of the best things going out there.
Don't know whether this exactly fits into your category, of troy, but I'll submit it anyway.
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#87744
11/24/2002 10:18 PM
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You thought yorkies were a sweet? What did you think when you heard of black pudden?
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#87745
11/24/2002 10:43 PM
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>i can't think of other foods with misleading names.. but i am sure there are plenty.
Mountain oysters.
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#87746
11/24/2002 11:21 PM
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And "organic" vegetables may be grown on Job's dunghill.
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#87747
11/25/2002 11:56 AM
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grown on Job's dunghillYou know of some inorganic dung, do you, Dr. Bill? Aside from that produced by the machine described in this article, anyway, http://discover.com/dec_02/featbiology.html, and even it used organic ingredients (well, except for the water). WARNING: The article in the link is about the biology and genetics of YUCK!
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#87748
11/25/2002 1:54 PM
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Lots of assholes call themselves artists. I had a patient who executed beautiful murals
with his own excrement. I have contempt for the organic cultists. I have mucked out
many a pen and spread and harrowed it in, then had to add lime and phosphate. But
I much preferred bag fertilizer for our vegetable garden. The Colonial farmers were
strictly organic, having no choice. But removing a crop and replacing only a fraction
of the nutrients soon dropped yields drastically. Today's organic nuts would be unable
to get manure if it were not for animal feeds raised with commercial fertilizer.
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#87749
11/25/2002 1:57 PM
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Sweetbreads are not sweet
Lady fingers have no meat
______ _______ ______ ______ ______.
[help me finish this haiku]
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#87750
11/25/2002 2:14 PM
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Speaking of mystery foods, we don't want to forget mystery meat of our college days.
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#87751
11/25/2002 2:26 PM
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#87752
11/25/2002 4:37 PM
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In reply to:
Speaking of mystery foods, we don't want to forget mystery meat of our college days.
Sweetbreads are not sweet
Lady fingers have no meat
Mystery meat -- don't eat
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#87753
11/25/2002 7:22 PM
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I wouldn't think that any of you will be savoring roast or braised geoduck served with currant jelly or orange relish soon. 
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#87754
11/25/2002 7:38 PM
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roast or braised geoduck
Certainly not any observant Jews in our mongst.
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#87755
11/25/2002 7:46 PM
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It has been my expeerience that the old-fashioned ways of cooking shellfish are best. Here is URL with picture of "gooeyduck" ooks like delicioous soft shell clam.Sscroll down halfways: http://www.foodsubs.com/Shelfish.html
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#87756
11/25/2002 7:52 PM
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Certainly not any observant Jews in our mongst.
Non-observant Jews, observant non-Jews as well, I'd reckon.
Ain't search engines great, Mr Faldage?
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#87757
11/25/2002 7:54 PM
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I only looked up geoduck to confirm my JDM®. Dunno why you couldn't roast or braise 'em, never tried it my own se'f. As for sauces, stranger thangs have happened.
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#87758
11/26/2002 1:42 PM
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peach cobbler...I don't see any shoemaker in there.
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#87759
11/26/2002 11:37 PM
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Upon myt sole! This is the last time I am going to give you a tongue-lashing.
TEd, taking the upper path
TEd
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#87760
11/27/2002 10:39 AM
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Wherein we all go crazy trying to figure out whether myt is some clever Remington pun that we didn't understand or just a simple typo.
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#87761
11/27/2002 11:12 AM
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Don't be such a heel, TEd (says he, with an arch look) you know he's dying for a good welting.
EDIT; (my apologies to anyone who didn't understand me - I was speaking with an Oxford brogue.I will now restrain my self, as I guess I'll court disaster if I try to slipa nother pun in.)
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#87762
11/27/2002 12:37 PM
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i suspect, they did something similar back home in germany or eastern europe-- scrapple doesn't have a meat name...
we do not pretend that we have meat when it is not so.
Eastern European sausages still have more meat and less fat than, for example, British sausages. in fact, many Russians who live in UK complain that they can not eat "horrible things they call sausages".
backward technology is not always bad where it concers food.
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#87763
11/27/2002 1:29 PM
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Just want to add this to the list.
WW
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#87764
11/27/2002 1:48 PM
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"horrible things they call sausages".
To paraphrase Bismarck: You're better off not knowing how sausages and politics are made.
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#87765
11/27/2002 2:04 PM
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Dear AS: On a Public Health field trip, we went to meat packing plant, and among other
bits of jollity, saw sausage skins like tenyard condoms having one end hitched to a spigot
which then forced the ground meat into the condom, producing the most activelty writhing
phallus imaginable. One of the girls told me it gave her nightmares.
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#87766
11/27/2002 2:27 PM
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#87767
11/27/2002 3:03 PM
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Of course putting ground meat into large intestine of an animal was much more aethetic.
Edit typo for aesthetic. Baltimore oysters make you aesthetic. Boston baked beans
make you astute.
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#87768
11/27/2002 3:15 PM
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Cool word. Must look it up! Edit: Well, shoot. I was hoping that yours wasn't a misspelling. I was hoping that "aethetic" would be some sort of antonym for aesthetic. I just read a typo of my own. I'd typed "anytonym" instead of "antonym." But I like "anytonym." An anytonym can be a word operating any way you want it to!
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#87769
11/27/2002 6:28 PM
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anytonym...a word operating any way you want it to!
Aha! That makes it a Humpty-Dumpty word, means exactly what you want it to, no more and no less.
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#87770
11/27/2002 6:40 PM
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Just another one of those foods to add to the list...
Oh, shoot. May as well add Hoppin' John, too.
And why not cross the Atlantic and add " Bubble and Squeak"?
Then we could add "Shepherd's Pie." Seems a silly kind of thing for a shepherd to carry out while watching a flock. The 'pie' (not really a pie the way I look at pies) would get all cold and coagulated. Shepherd's pie would be best served (my judgment) coming right out of the oven.
Shoot, and back here on this side of the pond we have:
Red Flannel Hash and that don't have narry a thread of red flannel in't.
How do you spell 'narry'?
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#87771
11/27/2002 7:31 PM
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nary.
our family loves goop. simply a white sauce with tuna and peas in it, spread on saltines or toast. the highbrows call it Salmon Pea Wiggle, but we couldn't afford salmon...
formerly known as etaoin...
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#87772
11/29/2002 12:01 AM
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During a recession many years ago my mother bought some sausages from the local butcher, only to discover that they were half meat and half breadcrumbs. When confronted, the butcher gave my mother back her money, lamenting that "In these times it's really difficult to make both ends meat."
TEd
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#87773
11/29/2002 11:19 PM
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"To paraphrase Bismarck: You're better off not knowing how sausages and politics are made."
My husband always adds ministers to that list. But then, he's a seminary dropout.
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