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11/28/2002 9:15 PM
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consensequated (con-SENS-qu-ate-ed) to give sensory information of the consequences of actions gone before.
example: The information...was directly consensequated by the harsh reality of nature.
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#86441
11/28/2002 9:42 PM
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consensequated (con-SENS-qu-ate-ed)
I thought it was a SIX-syllable word. Si?
This is starting to sound like "After I zoquo, I like to ushnu." !
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#86442
11/29/2002 11:27 AM
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Nice, Alex, but no real continuity, Art! Tell me?
Can somebody translate the above quote into English for me please? ;)
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#86443
11/29/2002 1:23 PM
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They are calling me to Thanksgiving dinner, and I kid you not.
That's a copout and you know it, Mr. Minderbinder. You coulda done tole 'em you were watching a important football game an' couldn't come just right now. Harrumph!®
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#86444
11/29/2002 4:41 PM
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I think I'd better move my points forward a little faster, I think Wofdoc is getting a little bored. Alex is asking for clarifications and faldage's mood is one of detached mild amusement, So...
The advent of language inaugurated a new world where outright lies could be used to perpetuate and enhance the role of the individual to the detriment, or conversely, to the benefit, of the larger group. Quickly it became important to determine which was which.
One way to prevent the spread of lies was to reject all new information. This included information that was transmitted of the mores of other cultures. We still do this.
Another way was to only accept new information from ingroup sources who are considered wise. We still do this too.
The first way never works. Cultures, like people, evolve. Mid-eastern culture is experiencing the foibles of their restrictive mindset while you read. This is so because in a common mindset most all values are intergraded into a belief-system whole. Remove the wrong domino and the system fails and falls.
The second way of protecting against individuals who lie is even worse. Such is the nature of language animals that they will tell the greatest and grandest of lies in order to gain comfort and to insure that a comfortable station is given to the products of their loins. The most cunning become professionals and wrap their profession in high-sounding words that unhappily allows them to persist through time. The greatest offenders are kings, lawyers, doctors, preachers*, teachers*, and scientists* (an asterisk because they get new recruits that believe their own propaganda.) These lies are the stuff of class snobbery, a shameful but functional farce. The problem with this system is that new information is directed toward these self-aggrandized folk before it (rightly or wrongly)can be accessed and assimilated into the group as a whole.
So now we come to the set of pre-ordained conditions that will lie to us about what we should call Art.
(Uh, oh...It's time for me to go play tennis. I've been thrown out of the group for almost a year now, so I feel that today I should be on time.)
To be continued...
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#86445
11/30/2002 2:02 AM
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Milo....YOU PLAY TENNIS????!!!!! 
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11/30/2002 12:47 PM
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The greatest offenders are kings, lawyers, doctors, preachers*, teachers*, and scientists* (an asterisk because they get new recruits that believe their own propaganda.)
...and Southern *Good Ol' Boys layin' a line on a body. Southern bullsh*t is an art form in a class of its own.
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11/30/2002 5:01 PM
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Why yes modgod, I do, or did. Until about a year ago I played at least three times every week. Yesterday I went to the courts to play with my former tennis partners...nobody showed up. Maybe they forgot. Maybe they are still mad. I don't care, they were always jealous of my greater strength, speed and skill. I am going to find me some new partners, and this time they are going to be men. 
ON ART
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NO TRA A good place to start when explaining Art is to explain what its not. First, Art is not nature. Our eyes, within our lifetime frames a billion billion pictures of this world so you would think that at least one of them, by pure chance, would be Art. Its not. What you see is real and sometimes beautiful, but unless you experience a work of manmade Art you haven't seen Art. Truth and beauty is not Art.
Well then is music Art? No! Especially when accompanied by words that you can understand. Opera has a tough time rising to the status of Art, but many operatic works have great moments of high art. I introduce this example to underline the temporal nature of Art. Two quick analogies...
The first time we heard Beethoven's Fifth we said, "pretty dern good, a bit long, but good". The next time we heard it we comprehended the unity of all parts and we were moved to transcendent heights, far above sex and cracklin' cornbread. Then we played it over and over until it lost its shine.
The Chinese Commies drove men slap crazy by playing Beethoven's Fifth morning, noon, and night for weeks on end.
Some nice people on this board regard Leonardo da VInci's painting Mona Lisa as a (spit) portrait of a sick-looking broad. I don't think so. I just pulled up the Mona Lisa for reviewing and gazed into her eyes trying hard to find the secret of her smile. Then it struck me. Little Willie John was right. The Mona Lisa was a man! An effeminate man but none-the-less a man.
Maybe I'm wrong. But the point is that Art is only Art when viewed, felt, smelled, or otherwise sensed, at the moment of the sub-conscious transfer of a shared secret or joke or insight into the mystery of being alive. And the more you bring to the table the more you will be satisfied with the fare.
But music aside, poems and literature are th
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11/30/2002 5:14 PM
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The Mona Lisa was a man!You wouldn't say that if you'd seen the *real Mona Lisa. The one you've seen is a bad imitation from one of Leonardo's students. I have, through great investigative effort, uncovered a reproduction of the original on the web. http://www.envisage1.com/bgmedia/monadebi.jpg
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11/30/2002 6:19 PM
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But music aside, poems and literature are th
and so it was that at this point milum was struck mute (typographically) by Saint Luke, Patron Saint of the Arts.
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11/30/2002 9:59 PM
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Well then is music Art? No! Especially when accompanied by words that you can understand.So, with words it is even more not art... er, that is to say, it is even less closer to being art than without, which is closer to, but not yet art... I mean, if it's ugly then it is just not beautiful at all, is it? Yet, a white lie, even though truly colorless, is not as bad as a straight-up fib... and that grape over there, when it dries up we don't call it a grape anymore, it becomes health food (aka. art)! ...and don't even get milum started on photography! 
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12/01/2002 1:43 AM
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don't even get milum started on photography!
You don't have to *get milum started. He's the original self-starter.
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12/02/2002 4:02 AM
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You wouldn't say that if you'd seen the *real Mona Lisa.
I thought I told them they couldn't use that picture of me. 
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12/05/2002 5:19 PM
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12/05/2002 5:23 PM
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AnnaS:
Too many http's on your link...
Hurry! Change! My laptop battery is dying! And we have no power! I want to see what you were leading us on to...
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12/05/2002 5:25 PM
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oops! Fixed. It's not a pretty sight, I should warn you....
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12/05/2002 5:29 PM
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formerly known as etaoin...
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12/05/2002 7:12 PM
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But it wouldn't have won the Turner Prize. Far too meaningful. Maybe if she'd paid somebody to turn the light on and off!
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12/05/2002 8:51 PM
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Well, I finally got to finish the second part of this thread... Many good points have been made here (and, milum let me just say that only you could've come across that Japanese-animation site...your background of Atlantean/Mu-ian powers is definitely showing! ...and, no, I am not ogling the women..well, okay, mebbe just a peek now and then  ). This thread would definitely seem, to me, incomplete without a mention of Robert Mapplethorpes'* (see edit) Piss Christ, the piece which consisted of an upside-down Crucifix in a jar of his own urine, and which ignited the whole furor over the National Endowment of the Arts in the US. IMHO, there really must have been some better way, even at a soley intellectual level, to convey what he had in mind. All this did was give ammunition to the fundamentalist zealots to campaign for the removal of all public funding for art. As a consequence, and due to drastic compromising over the years since this Mapplethorpe* piece and exhibit gave rise to the controversy, funding for the arts has drastically, and continually shrunken...theatre companies and literary magazines are folding in droves, deprived of the meager, but crucial, grant monies that once kept them afloat. Then, of course, the same mindset was taken a step further, and seized on "art" as a dirty word for their own agenda's propagandizing, and music and art programs started disappearing from our schools, etc. Boy, funding Piss Christ was worth triggering all this, wasn't it? *[ EDIT: >Once it was abstract art that outraged the public and press, but almost all the recent controversies surrounding art in the popular media have involved images. Robert Mapplethorpe's photographs and Andres Serrano's Piss Christ (1987)are memorable recent examples.< So, evidently, Piss Christ was Andres Serrano's work, not Mapplethorpe's, but their work toured with the same exhibit that ignited the controversy.] And, yes, mg, these huge grants are monopolized by certain cliques in power, for instance the academic poets/professors who regularly award each other the huge grants (ie. Guggenheim, NEA, Bollingen, etc.) to reinforce their one-way post-modernist view of writng (or strangulation, thereof) as per their MFA Programs and "show don't tell" mantra that prohibits any real f****ing soul, spontaneity, spirit, or life from creeping into their cookie-cutter cardboard box "creations". The focus on the imposition of pure intellect is not art, IMO, and supports only their own agenda to be able to teach, and keeps their lucrative MFA Programs alive, and provides them with their reason to teach...because you can only teach what you can control, and you can't teach anything other than pure intellect...that's why the surreal, the abstract, the spontaneous, etc. scares them so. It renders their tenured teaching positions meaningless. The onslaught of MFA Programs have choked the life out of American writing, on the most part, and everyone knows it. I can site many "insider" essays and literary movements and circles afoot that speak to this...but, still, the 'establishment' is very difficult to derail. So, if you learn how to play the game, and kiss-up to the proper poet/professor[s] (if you wanna play that game), and start using their name and a hint of their style in submissions to university journals (most editors want to see cover letters, now, rather than to let the work speak for itself, this just being a cynical method of screening out their academic peers for publication ), you can start getting published and awarded almost immediately, and acquire publication credits so you can teach and launch your own workshops and, then, hopefully procure a nice fat MFA position at some college. In short, folks are flooding the market with shit work after whiling away a short time in MFA workshops so they can use their publication credits to teach. Writing to teach, not writing to write...so that's that. Some folks who go through this process do seem to somehow rise above it and hold onto the life in their work...our current US Poet Laureate, Billy Collins, for instance (who many in the academic establishemnt deride as 'too accessible', even though Collins is a professor himself, because they are highly suspect of his more spontaneous approach to writing), and Tony Hoagland, for instance. In short, you can't teach the subconscious and any element of that is a threat to the stodgy academic elitists now in literary power. But that will change, it always does. Bottom line is, we'll see what survives...what folks will be still be reading a few hundred years from now. Grants and fellowships were first established as awards to free up the time of new and emerging artists of promise so they could focus more on their work. But they've been turned into pretentious trophies that are continually awarded to established academics, by each other, who have cozy tenured professorships and every summer off to focus on their creative pursuits.... bourgeois art, bourgeois poetry (now there's an oxymoron for you). Whoever dies with the most prizes wins, or sumthin' like that.
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12/05/2002 8:57 PM
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lightght
--Aram Saroyan
>Aram Saroyan wrote "lightght," the controversial one-word poem that became the subject of ongoing government and public debate after it was chosen for a National Endowment for the Arts Poetry Award by Robert Duncan in 1968. His minimalst work of this period is like advertising without commodities, redirecting the reader's attention on words in and of themselves: "ought," for example, as a pure psychological state without an object.<
Oh, really??????....
And I think Saroyan got around $120,000 for this.
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#86461
12/05/2002 9:53 PM
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An exhibition of modern British art was shown at the Te Papa Museum in Wellington, Zildland, a couple of years ago. There were not one but two controversial works that had the local god-bothering crowd up in arms and out on the streets. The whole brouhaha was made more interesting for us in that it was led by a former colleague of 'er indoors, Grahame Capill, a professional worrier of the first water and a minister in a church of the happy hand-clapping variety, but I repeat myself.
The first, and probably most controversial, of the two anathematised works of art was called "Virgin in a Condom". The work was literally that - a small plastic statue of Mary of the kind beloved of Roman Catholic children (I'm guessing here; no one else I know of likes them). The statue was inside what looked like a used condom. Well, it was a condom; it looked to be not new. The artist had justified the juxtaposition in a paragraph or so in the catalogue, but the local killjoys weren't having a bar of it. Death to the blasphemers, yadda, yadda, yadda.
The second piece really was a great work of art. It was called "Wrecked Last Supper" and was a photo-montage of a bunch of self-absorbed disciples eating a last supper. The only problem - and it was one that the misogynistic Catholic church was particularly vitriolic about - was that the "Christ" figure was a topless woman. Not a page 3 glamour model, just an ordinary woman.
It was a marvellous piece of work, and if I'd had the wall space - at least 10 feet long and 6 feet high - I'd have stolen it.
The artistic merits of "Virgin in a Condom" were certainly debatable - I put it roughly in the same category as lights going on and off and people modelling their own faeces - but the "Wrecked Last Supper" piece was pure, unadulterated and very clever, art. IMHO, of course.
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12/07/2002 4:14 AM
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(make sure to click on the "Earth as Art sampler" link in the Gallery window for all the photos after you peruse the story...I especially like Dashte-e Kevir and Coahuila): http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/12/06/satellite.art/index.html
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12/07/2002 12:11 PM
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12/07/2002 12:23 PM
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Here's what I just read:
"This desolate landscape is part of the Sierra Madre Oriental mountain range, on the border between the Coahuila and Nuevo Leon provinces of Mexico. "
Does the word "oriental" here mean "eastern"?
Those photographs are stunning!!! I wish I understood them--wish I understood exactly what I was seeing.
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12/07/2002 12:29 PM
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Oriente means East in Spanish. Oriental means Eastern. They are beautiful, aren't they? Does the Icelandic one remind you of a dried leaf with frost gathering in it's pockets?
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12/07/2002 12:58 PM
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Does the word "oriental" here mean "eastern"?
Right, in one! Give that lady one silver dollar!
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12/08/2002 2:08 AM
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12/08/2002 11:14 AM
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Those pictures remind me of an exibition on in the Natrual History Museum in London: http://www.earthfromtheair.com
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12/08/2002 9:49 PM
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The winner of this year's Turner prize has just been announced. It goes to a Keith Tyson, who, in my view was one of the artists who put the most thought into his work, though I guess whether it's art or phart® is still debatable. Here's a link to the his work: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A861644
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12/08/2002 10:05 PM
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this kind of art reminds me of Ptolemy and epicycles and trying to get to some understanding through a roundabout way... the beauty and clarity of deep brevity is missing and non-understood.
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12/08/2002 10:54 PM
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If you were trying to say "it's a load of bollocks", then you got it right IMHO. I'm tempted to start a "Put the Art back into Art" campaign, I really am!
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12/09/2002 2:15 AM
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Oh boy, oh boy...what a mean crowd tonight. That stupid Winner of the Turner Prize has got everybody stirred up.
Look around, everyone 's URLing space pictures and calling them "Art".
Oh well, at least some of the worst troublemakers have left the hall. Capital Kiwi has smashed his golden tablets and gone back to the mountain or vice versa. And thank heaven, TEd Remington has had his pun and has left for greener Zoroastures. And O'yes Faldage, dear Faldage, is somewhere over in fun n' games nitting, and picking, and grinin', over some innocent newcomers misuse of the word "forsooth".
And Ah, goodbuddy Fishonabike has peddled off to the not-yet-so-well-understood places where fish peddle. And, lastly but not leastly, Rhubarb Commando has left us, but in spirit only, he is passed out in a folding chair by the exit door.
And if I have left anybody out, good. And good riddance. The crowd you left would shame a motorcycle gang.
But Damn and Alack! I must complete Lesson 5 (of 6) of the series THE NATURE OF ART in order to receive my meager stipend. (God bless us all. I could have been a prison guard, or a talk show host. Please, I pray, let me survive the night.)
Milum: (tapping a water glass) Attention please. I have an announcement to make.
Mean Crowd: mutter mumble chatter roar!
Milum: (shouting) If you simple minded simpletons will just shut up you'll hear me say that this will be the last night of my lectures of this series.
Mean Crowd : (a pin dropped in the seventeenth row.)
Milum: But first, you must take a test.
Mean Crowd : mutter mumble chatter roar.
Milum : Your test results will determine whether you pass or require further instruction.
Mean crowd : (sullenly they shut up) _________!
***COMING TOMORROW---> MILUM'S TEST.***
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***COMING TOMORROW---> MILUM'S TEST.***
1. Where's our list of review questions?
2. Do we need calculators and slide rules?
3. Will points be taken off for spelling errors?
4. Can we use our notes?
5. Will it be a timed or a power test?
6. Are responses to be written or carved into granite?
7. Do we have to sign an honor code?
8. May we discuss our answers with classmates to get other points of view?
9. Do we get extra credit for creativity?
10. If so, please explain your take on creativity.
11. Is this just a test or an exam?
12. How much weight will this test/exam carry in our grade point average?
13. Will you provide us with a course instructor evaluation form so we may evaluate your teaching skills?
14. You're going to trust us, right? I mean, you won't be checking the undersides of our arms or anything like that to see whether we've hidden information, right? I mean, you don't believe we'd cheat or anything like that, right?
15. More on extra credit: We like extra credit. Do we get extra credit for reproducing the light bulb work of art? Or other such works of art? Like bringing in a can of Campbell's soup?
16. Do we have to adhere to your point of view that the poetry isn't art? Or the other arts you cast out the window? In other words, will we score just as high even if we disagree with you or would you prefer milumparrots?
17. What measures will you take to alleviate test-taking anxiety in your most anxious students? I like teachers who provide chocolate.
18. Can I sit next to tsuwm?
Thank you very much.
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19. Do you promise to shut up and go away if we pretend to take your stupid test?
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20. No. But I will pretend to go away.
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pretend to go away
Fair enough.
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And if we pretend to take the "milArt Exam" does that count toward a good grade, especially in the Surrealist mutiple-choice section where A. equals B. anyway?
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The object is to avoid the correct answer at all costs.
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the "milArt Exam"I have a CIA coffee cup from Mil-Art China ( http://www.milart.com/. Does that get me extra credit? I used to have a KGB cup, too, but I left it at Casowasco one weekend.
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