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Since the shortlist for the Turner Prize had been announced, many questions have been asked as to whether many of the shortlisted pieces could really be called art (these pieces included a perspex cieling and, from last year, a light that flashed on and off). It's been suggested that these works should be classified as 'phart' - an alternative spin off of art. Phartists whould create works of phart that would be judged in phart competitions, displayed in phart galleries and assesed by phart critics. This new classification would go a long way to solving the many diputes that arise in the art/phart world. Then of course, as phart progresses, we will see the emergence of classical phart, modern phart, figurative phart... the list will be endless, and a new and wonderful art- sorry phart form will be born! EDIT:By the way: Phart - a word derived from the words phonomonum and art - describing a phonomonum that has arisen from art... No prejudices implied.  EDIT(2): Oops, I meant ph enomenon. If the world doesn't suck, we'd all fall off.
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Dear bonzaialsatian: De gustibus non est, and all that.......
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We need a definition of "Art", here, I think.
At base level, anything that isn't "Natural" - i.e., produced by nature - is "Art".
If you accept that proposition, then the Turner Prize entries all qualify - as do the clothes I'm wearing, the chair I sit on, the desk I work at etc ad infinitum.
So, we need a more useful and usable definition.
How about this?
"Art" is the arrangement or re-arrangement of articles, natural or made, into a form that has no intrinsic use or purpose other than as decoration.
Judgement of the success of a piece of "Art" is, and always will be, subjective. HOwever, from society's point of view, some degree of consensus on the matter is, at the very least, desirable.
How many people have to agree that a piece of "Art" is good before it is acceptable for public display?
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> "Art" is the arrangement or re-arrangement of articles, natural or made, into a form that has no intrinsic use or purpose other than as decoration.
This definition would please the exponents of 'found art' - those who will take (usually) utilitartian objects and place them in odd (even provocative) ways to evoke thoughts in the viewer. In my eyes though putting, for example, a tampon in a teacup is neither a great idea, an achievement, or a deep way to look at the repression of women.
> How many people have to agree that a piece of "Art" is good before it is acceptable for public display?
The idea of a 'Canon of visual art' is flimsy to say the least. The practice, often by excellent artists of 'creating' such ridiculous works as 'An empty margarine container' seems to be their way of sticking their finger up at the ego oriented 'artistic community'; for there are too many critics and too little art. Mind you I can think of a few living artists I like - not surprisingly they're all women - the rest shouldn't be dubbed 'phart', but simply 'wank'. I think institutionalized modern visual art has, per se, lost any credibility among the general population except in its most direct and anonymous forms like that of graffiti and crop circles.
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I like going through the modern art wing of our local museum because I know I'm going to be surprised. Rarely, an artist's idea might seem a bit too easy--not much imagination--but more often than not I'm blown away by the artists' imaginations.
wwh is correct to point out the taste issue. Probably what I find offensive, a good body of other people would find to be liberating. Heaven knows we're not going to find anything on earth that we all can agree about other than the basest animal instincts and needs...and even then some people try to cross the line.
But I do like this idea of Phart! At least I'd have a mental term for that art that I find to be trivial and offensive. I'd have Art and Phart in my little Hall of Gustibus. [Didn't you mean phenomenon?]
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wow. as long as there isn't a quiz at the end, I'm ok. thanks, zocto! 
formerly known as etaoin...
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"Art" is the arrangement or re-arrangement of articles, natural or made, into a form that has no intrinsic use or purpose other than as decoration.
With all due respect I must disagree. The furniture I make I consider art, and definitely the boxes I make ARE an art form (not that I am yet particularly good at it, but I'm certainly striving to blend the esthetic with the useful.) Both the furniture and the boxes (and a few lamps along the way) are used, but are meant to be pleasing to the eye.
Peggy j8ust wandered by and siad, "Whoa! Tell him about the quilts I make."
I rest my case :)
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I agree with TEd. But, if I must rise to my reputation, I'll state that the aspects of the creation of a chair that do not contribute to its funcionality as a chair may be considered art. One could make a perfectly functioning chair without a lick of artwork. That it may be more pleasing to have a chair that is also a work of art is irrelevant to the chairness of the artless work.
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Beautifully put, Faldage.
I agree with TEd that there is a cross over between arts and crafts - certainly, design is an accepted area of art and is taught in art colleges throughout Britain, at least.
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