#86113
11/11/2002 6:45 PM
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'cept it's pronounced "lee" (just like "mi" and "ti"). yes, thanks, muse. but now you've got me thinking that all my work with solfege for my 5th and 6th grade chorus is ruining them.... aauuggghhh.. do you know of any good atonal music for 10 year olds...? 
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#86114
11/11/2002 6:57 PM
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>do you know of any good atonal music for 10 year olds...?
or (one might ask), do you know of any good atonal music for 50-year olds? (etc.)
- John Cage
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#86115
11/11/2002 8:52 PM
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... zat anything like 'military intelligence'?
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#86116
11/11/2002 9:03 PM
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Egg-zactly, Anna!  You took the sentiment right out of my mouth.
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#86117
11/11/2002 9:20 PM
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You took the sentiment right out of my mouth.
hehehe... long as I didn't take the statement off your face.
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#86118
11/11/2002 9:21 PM
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serially folks, maybe Wozzeck for children? well if I can't teach my kids to sing in tune anymore... 
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#86119
11/11/2002 9:31 PM
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do you know of any good atonal music for chopped liver (or mince meat for that matter)?
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#86120
11/12/2002 2:18 AM
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atonal music for chopped liver (or mince meat for that matter)? Tony, is that a threat or a promise? 
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#86121
11/12/2002 10:31 AM
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¿Quieres papitas francesas con éso?
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#86122
11/12/2002 12:07 PM
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Para mi, cebollas anilladas, por favor.
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#86123
11/12/2002 12:37 PM
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Leaping into atonal music may be too big a leap for kids. I'd suggest Charles Ives as a bridge. He mixes chords to cause exciting dissonances. Take a look at his organ arrangement of "America." It's wild and crazy and dissonant and wonderful. Better still, find some concert in which it's being performed live on a monster organ. Ives' "America" is about as exciting as the grand finale of Respighi's Pines of Rome.
I'd say once Ives' music is palatable and enjoyable to you, then it's easier to listen to atonal arrangements. You've rescrewed on your ears by then through Ives.
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#86124
11/12/2002 1:00 PM
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Ives is a great suggestion. I was thinking about kids singing, and whether or not teaching them solfege was going to train their ears too much to "Western Harmony". I had never thought about solfege being a "well-tempered" sort of thing. we're hoping to get the Tuvan Throat Singers here for an assembly this coming Spring, so that ought to open the kids ears!! http://makeashorterlink.com/?X64E21B62
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#86125
11/12/2002 5:25 PM
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... yeahbut® you *guys prolly like blue cheese and curry. J - Whaddya doin with sediment in your mouth anywho? cc - Por que no Yago Sangria? etaoin - It's not about teaching them to sing in tune (good luck with that ), it's about intervalic recognition and balancing mindless (did I say that?) repetition with an even exposure to all of the available tonal combinations. Paul Hindemith has an excellent ear training study guide! The word tonality as western music uses it is a misnomer. Now that I think of it, it reminds me of that "f" word.
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