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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread pure vs puer #85331 11/01/2002 3:18 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Comparatively recently dog manure was collected and used in early stages of making leather allegeely because residual pancreatic enzymes removed unwanted proteins from hides New Scientist for Aug 13 Aug 02 p.27 states that though it is in some texts called "pure" it seems logical to believe this is confusion with "puer" as boys were principal collectors thereof. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: pure vs puer #85332 11/01/2002 12:39 PM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park of troy Carpal Tunnel of troy Carpal Tunnel Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 5,400 rego park Winchester (Professor and Madman) called dog manure colected for leather tanning pure, modern american dictionaries don't include this defination, but i suspect the OED still does.. i think i would trust them. my other obsession Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: pure vs puer #85333 11/01/2002 2:39 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Simon Manchester has been known to err. Here is a sentence from an encyclopedia article "After pulling down the goods to a soft, silky condition by bating or puering, it is necessary, after scudding, to plump them up again and bring them into a clean and fit condition for receiving the tan." There is logic to "puer", no logic to "pure". If figures that clerks knowing Latin used "puer" and clerks who did not copied the sound as "pure". Here is URL to encyclopedia article. It is very long, and you have to scroll down halfway to find the quote given above. http://28.1911encyclopedia.org/L/LE/LEATHER.htm Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: leather vocabulary #85334 11/01/2002 8:36 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 I have encountered several surnames that were originally job titles. In my own genealogy, the name "Thayer" meant someone who made a "tea" pronounced "tay" out of bark for tanning leather. The name "Scudder" derived froms specialty of scraping hair off hide after treatment had loosened it. And the name "Bate" referred to speciallist in treatment to remove proteins that do not contribute to strength of leather.(Meaning using less revolting agents than "puer".) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary

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