#83970
10/20/2002 9:36 PM
  
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Kittens handled gently when they are small, readily become affectionate pets. Not so feral cats. I have two feral cats that I have fed often enough that they invite my stroking them. But I would risk painful scratches if I tried to pick them up   Their mansuetude is limited.
 
 
  mansuetude   n. ME < L mansuetudo < pp. of mansuescere, to tame < manus, a hand (see MANUAL) + suescere, to accustom < IE base *swedh3, custom > Gr cthos6 gentleness; tameness
 
 
  
 
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#83971
10/20/2002 9:44 PM
  
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I tried to find out where my father's family hearkened from years ago, and traced it to the MacIntosh clan in Scotland. The motto for that clan was something like "Touch not the cat bot a glove." I suppose feral cats were the reference point here. I love the word bot here. Funny to consider what bot means today.
  Bot regards, WW
 
  
 
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#83972
10/20/2002 9:44 PM
  
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I have known tame cats with limited mansuetude.
 
  
 
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#83973
10/20/2002 9:48 PM
  
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The parasitic larva of a botfly?
  In touch not the cat bot a glove, bot would best be translated as without.  It comes from the OE butan which gave us our modern but but had other meanings.
 
  
 
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#83975
10/20/2002 10:16 PM
  
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wwh:
  I'm going to paste the poem that was above the one with "bot" in it. Yes, long ago I figured out what the "bot" in question meant, and I think it's a mighty fine motto applied to cats and other kinds of cats you come across in this life. Touch 'em not without a glove.
  Anyway, I love the poem above the one you have in the link. What a sadly beginning poem and some of the words are way beyond my understanding. What a lovely old language this:
  204     Bewailing in my chamber thus allone, 205       Despeired of all joye and remedye, 206   For-tirit of my thoght, and wo begone, 207       Unto the wyndow gan I walk in hye, 208       To se the warld and folk that went forby; 209   As for the tyme, though I of mirthis fude 210   Myght have no more, to luke it did me gude.
  211     Now was there maid fast by the touris wall 212       A gardyn faire, and in the corneris set 213   Ane herbere grene:--with wandis long and small 214       Railit about; and so with treis set 215       Was all the place, and hawthorn hegis knet, 216   That lyf was none walking there forby, 217   That myght within scarse ony wight aspye;
  218     So thik the bewis and the leves grene 219       Beschadit all the aleyes that there were. 220   And myddis every herbere myght be sene 221       The scharpe grene suete jenepere, 222       Growing so faire with branchis here and there, 223   That, as it semyt to a lyf without, 224   The bewis spred the herbere all about;
  225     And on the smalle grene twistis sat 226       The lytill suete nyghtingale, and song 227   So loud and clere, the ympnis consecrat 228       Off lufis use, now soft, now lowd among, 229       That all the gardyng and the wallis rong 230   Ryght of thaire song and of the copill next 231   Off thaire suete armony, and lo the text:
 
 
  
 
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#83976
10/22/2002 12:25 AM
  
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Wonder what the adjective form is? Too lazy tonight--or just plain too beat--to LIU.
  Mansuetudinous? Mansuetundinal?
 
  
 
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#83977
10/22/2002 12:27 AM
  
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like, whoa!  like, total mansuetudinage, dood...
 
  
 
  
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#83978
10/22/2002 12:30 AM
  
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In reply to:
 total mansuetudinage, dood...
  
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#83979
10/22/2002 12:33 AM
  
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oh man, yeah....   
 
  
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10/23/2002 4:35 PM
  
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And then there's the Yorkshire pronunciation:         Wheear 'as ta bin sin ah saw thee,          On Ilkla Moor baht 'at?!          Wheear 'as ta bin sin ah saw thee?          Wheear 'as ta bin sin ah saw thee?          On Ilkla Moor baht 'at?!         http://www.ilkley.org/iguide/baht.htm 
 
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