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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread marsh elder #82925 10/06/2002 1:10 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 In a discussion of the development of agriculture, I found this "When we began harvesting and replanting wheat in Jericho and Mesopotamia, Indians were gathering food from the lush greenery. They ate marsh elder, sunflower seeds, and goosefoot squash. " I found many sites that mentioned "marsh elder" but none of them gave any clue as to is use as human food. Anybody know what part of it was edible? Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82926 10/06/2002 1:19 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 771 Portland, Oregon Fiberbabe old hand Fiberbabe old hand Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 771 Portland, Oregon Evidently it's the berries. It's referred to by a number of different names, as this URL testifies: http://www.geocities.com/littleflowers_medicinal_plants/high_bush_cranberry.html Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82927 10/06/2002 2:03 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Dear Fiberbabe: It figures that the only thing the archaeologists could have found and identified would have been remnants of berries. But sources I found showed only the leaves, and did not even mention berries. I could not find "marsh elder" in your site, but did find elderberry, which I have eaten. A couple old ladies who lived next door to me actually made traditional "elderberry wine" but I never tasted it. Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82928 10/06/2002 2:48 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 771 Portland, Oregon Fiberbabe old hand Fiberbabe old hand Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 771 Portland, Oregon Marsh elder is listed as one of the other known names for the plant... one of those Eskimo>snow things, I suppose. Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82929 10/06/2002 3:08 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Dear Fiberbabe: I went back and finally found it, but what a mess of alternative names! Common Names: American Cranberry. Cranberry Tree. Pimbina. Flat Seed Berry. Pembina. Nipiminan. Crampbark Tree. Wild Gueldes Rose. Gueldres Rose. Cherry Wood. Dog Rowan Tree. Whitten Tree. Red Elder. Rose Elder. Marsh Elder. Water Elder. White Elder. Love Rose. May Rose. Squaw Bush. Witch Hobble. And it says that if you ;eat many of them, they make you sick. The cranberries I used to pick on Cape Cod are so goddam sour I have been told the Indians did not eat them. It takes a lot of sugar to make them acceptable. I have never seen "high bush cranberries" so don't know if they are also extremely sour. I'm surprised archaeologists could find anything identifiable in those seeds. Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82930 10/06/2002 3:23 PM Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,296 Piedmont Region of Virginia, U... Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Wordwind Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,296 Piedmont Region of Virginia, U... Dear wwh, Is your list various names for various kinds of cranberries, some of which are toxic? Am I reading you correctly? And, if so, I'm assuming that some of those names are for identifical kinds of cranberries? Thanks for any elucidation, WW Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82931 10/06/2002 3:57 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 wwh Carpal Tunnel wwh Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 13,858 Dear Ww: people are goofy about naming plants. My grandfather called tomatoes "love apples". I think those "high bush cranberries" just look a bit like cranberries. Copy Link to Clipboard Re: Don't touch that elderberry wine! #82932 10/06/2002 6:49 PM Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel WhitmanO'Neill Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,189 Rio Grande, Cape May County, N... Dear Dr. Bill: a couple of old ladies who live next door made a batch of elderberry wine and asked you to taste it? Don't touch that stuff! Haven't you ever seen Arsenic and Old Lace!! The plot's right out of the play! I wonder if they have a nephew named "Teddy" who's digging the "Panama Canal" in their cellar. Did you ever see any old men go into their house and then never come out!? Halloween movie alert: For those who've never seen it, and as a reminder to those who have, the comedy-horror classic, Arsenic and Old Lace, with Cary Grant, Boris Karloff, and Peter Lorre is a timeless treat for the whole family...a real gut-buster! Great time of year to rent the movie or to toss on the old tape of it again! Copy Link to Clipboard Re: marsh elder #82933 10/06/2002 7:21 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 My grandfather called tomatoes "love apples". Love apples is an old name for them. My JDM© has a little note stuck in it that says I have suspected it was a mistranslation of Moorish Apples. No explanatory note with it. Copy Link to Clipboard Re: Don't touch that elderberry wine! #82934 10/11/2002 1:02 AM Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 85 Springfield, MA, USA Seian journeyman Seian journeyman Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 85 Springfield, MA, USA LOL, I immediately thought of Arsenic and Old Lace too. We did a full reading of that play in 10th grade english class, and I remember it well because I read as one of the old ladies for a few scenes. ;) Ali Copy Link to Clipboard Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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