#81283
09/20/2002 5:51 PM
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down in weekly themes, Emanuela made these comments
...My question is: why so often English writers misspell Italian names in double letters?
Even my name Emanuela is very very often written as Emanuella, and I cannot figure out why.
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Just a curiosity:
We call Principe azzurro your Prince Charming - I suppose because he wears a sky-blue cloak
So what are the general rules for double letters?
i think that Emanuela becomes Emanuella because of the the English name of Ellen/ with its Ella diminutive. (sometimes even my name gets written as Hellen, by people who are sure its just Ellen with an H at the front.
there is also Cinderella, (and i think in the italian she is cinderela, single ell.)
and the Double z while not unknown, (drizzle, fizzle, pizza) is not common.
and her second point about prince charming be named for his blue cloak-- i thought that was too interesting to be buried.
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#81284
09/23/2002 11:18 AM
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So what are the general rules for double letters?
If we're talking general rules (cos there aren't any solid ones!) I reckon "-ela" implies the vague possibility of a long e sound, whereas "-ella" makes it a definite short e sound. I can't think of a single word with an "-ela" ending and a long e, so this rule must be inherited from other endings. "-eted" as in completed, deleted (long e) "-etted" as in abetted, regretted (short e) "-ered" as in revered and ..uhhh (long e anyway) "-erred" as in erred, deferred (short e -ish) This being English, though, it's quite tough coming up with examples.  Emanuela, I think also a lot of (speaking for myself, anyway) ignorant English speakers see Italian as consisting of quite a few double letters - bella, bellissima, pizza, pianissimo etc - and maybe tend to overdo it when writing Italian names and some words. I apologise on behalf of all of us ignorami. 
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#81285
09/23/2002 2:17 PM
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word with an "-ela" ending and a long e
Monongahela (from a different linguistic base altogether)
But in general the single-consonant-short-preceding-vowel, double-consonant-long-preceding-vowel rule is a valid one: Maltese/mess; meter/better; puling/pulling.
(with plenty of exceptions, English being English, as you say.)
(edit: spelling correction)
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#81286
09/23/2002 3:43 PM
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The spelling of LaGuardia Fiorello, the flamboyant mayor of New York City (who actually had a successful Broadway musical written about him, Fiorello!), may have something to do with cementing the double-letter Italian spellings in the USn mind (and imagination).
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#81287
09/23/2002 4:30 PM
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How come everybody is spelling the dear lady's name wrong?
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#81288
09/23/2002 6:46 PM
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And this...punchinello...from A.W.A.D. 7/4:
punchinello (pun-chuh-NEL-o) noun
1. A short, fat buffoon, principal character in an Italian puppet show.
2. A grotesque person.
[From Italian (Naples dialect) polecenella (a character in Italian puppet
shows), diminutive of pollecena (turkey pullet), ultimately from Latin
pullus (young chicken). From the resemblance of punchinello's nose to a
turkey's beak.]
"Unlike Mr. Donahue, she doesn't automatically sympathize with every
oddball and Punchinello who feels mistreated by `straight society'
(a phrase, believe it or not, that still rolls off Mr. Donahue's
tongue)."
Martha Bayles, Oprah vs. Phil: Warmth Wins Out, The Wall Street Journal
(New York), Jan 26, 1987.
This week's theme: words derived from fictional characters.
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#81289
09/24/2002 2:21 AM
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there is also Cinderella, (and i think in the italian she is cinderela, single ell.) EA
Hmmm.
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#81290
09/24/2002 12:45 PM
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#81291
09/27/2002 2:53 PM
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Cenerentola indeed .. because of
Cenere = dust ( she was cleaning the fireplace, do I remember well?)
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#81292
09/27/2002 3:03 PM
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Cenerentola indeed
I googled cinderella opera.
My secrets revealed
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#81293
09/30/2002 2:08 AM
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And in Spanish, she is known as Cenicienta, ceniza meaning ashes from the latin cinis.
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