#80735
09/13/2002 8:42 PM
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#80736
09/15/2002 5:04 PM
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I joked about moving into no.13 on our street 'misfortune will surely follow', i said at our house warming. Within weeks our neighbour launched a campaign to oust us sending threatening letters and leaving bullets on the the doorstep (he has scared off four previous tenants, one a single mother with three small children), then we noticed the false wall ( still haven't plucked up the courage to investigate), maybe there is something in it after all.
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09/16/2002 10:07 AM
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...and leaving bullets on the the doorstep....
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09/16/2002 11:36 AM
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#80739
09/16/2002 11:45 AM
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...nothin' to be afraid of
You think dody's neighbour was just making a point, WW?
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09/16/2002 1:08 PM
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Dear dodyskin: I hope the neighbor was stupid enough to leave his fingerprints on the
cartridges, so that your police could show him the error of his ways.
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#80741
09/18/2002 10:34 AM
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Well, we couldn't prove it was him, if I lived in America I'd probably live in the 'hood'. Statistically, approx five people carrying loaded guns walk past my house every day, and this is England, so NO-ONE is allowed guns ( and rightly so).
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#80742
09/18/2002 11:05 AM
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Gee! I work in Hammersmith and I reckon that statistic's nearly right for that area. Around Shepherds Bush is probably even worse due to the Yardy prescence. Are there other parts of the UK that are as bad?
To legitimise this into a word based item, does anyone know the origin of Yardy?
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#80743
09/18/2002 12:58 PM
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I assume you mean Yardy as reference to Scotland Yard. I read recently that
Scotland Yard was originally a palace created by Edward III for use of the
kinds of Scotland when they came to pay homage.
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#80744
09/18/2002 4:06 PM
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No, its the name that gangs from Jamaica have given themselves here in the UK. They are usually involved in the drug trade and are highly dangerous and volatile.
Thanks for the bit on Scotland Yard, however, I didn't know that. The history of London's place names must be a study in itself. Is there a word for it I wonder?
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#80745
09/18/2002 6:32 PM
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In reply to:
joked about moving into no.13 on our street 'misfortune will surely follow', i said at our house warming. Within weeks our neighbour launched a campaign to oust us sending threatening letters and leaving bullets on the the doorstep (he has scared off four previous tenants, one a single m,other with three small children), then we noticed the false wall ( still haven't plucked up the courage to investigate), maybe there is something in it after all.
Dody can you elaborate? Sounds like quite a story.
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#80746
09/18/2002 6:50 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/371604.stm this link has some information on Yardies. dxb, I live in Moss Side in Manchester which is often referred to in the press (unfairly) as Crime Side, Gunchester. There are a lot of gangs here and shootings and riots happen often. Two shootings and two riots on my street in the last year, and it's a small street. However, it is also a friendly, vibrant community that, having been invigorated by waves of Irish, Indian, Jamaican and Somalian immigration is a rich and diverse, all year party. In the summer there are barbeques on the street corners and all the furniture from the second hand shops is commandeered by old women who sit on them shouting well meaning profanities at passers by. Carnival, Eid, St. Patricks Day, Jubilee and the World Cup were all celebrated by all residents ( except for those wanting taxis), and when it rains, which is often in Manchester, there is always the pub or the curry houses or the corner shop where I argue about politics with the boys who hang about in the back. Moss Side gets a bad press, and too many young lads die senselessly, but it is safe enough if you don't get involved in drugs.
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#80747
09/19/2002 12:28 PM
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We have an estate behind us called the Hemmingwell. It's row upon row of cheaply-built terraced housing. I understand that it was at least partly funded by London councils who wanted to be able to resettle people out of London. Wellingborough has a lot of London accents.
The police never go there less than mob-fisted and I've lost count of the number of times a police helicopter has hovered over the Hemmingwell at some ridiculous hour of the late evening or early morning.
I'm quite happy to go through the Hemmingwell in the daytime, but at night most residents lock themselves in. Outsiders such as me just don't go there ...
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#80748
09/19/2002 4:06 PM
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Thanks for that link Dody. It answered my question about the derivation of the name and provided a lot of interesting detail. It seemed to imply that the Yardies are a London problem. Is that true I wonder; are your local drug gangs coming from that same background for example?
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#80749
09/20/2002 4:44 PM
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Dodyskin,
what a wonderful elegiac description of your city!
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09/21/2002 2:42 PM
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the police helicopter parks in the sky above our house, it's one of those new 'silent' ones that you are not supposed to be able to hear unless you are right underneath it, well either it doesn't work or it is hovering above our house between the hours of two and five in the morning every night. It's fun watching it chase joyriders down wilbraham road though, it suddenly rises up higher and takes off in a diagonal to head them off, untill all we can see is the searchlight. then, invariably comes tear arsing back up lloyd street until its practically above our house. the joyriders all pile out and go yard hopping until they get to the alleys ( they are too narrow for police cars), whereupon half of them are rounded up by coppers on foot in contact with the bellypopper, which has a heat seeker thing any way and has been watching them run all over the place. Great entertainment, and some small compensation for the disturbance. I'm convinced actually, that the cumulative effect of fifteen thousand people having a bad nights sleep and getting up and having to go to work is probably much worse than whatever evils the police helicopter battles nightly. Trying to hang on to the whole word post idea, is there any better word than bellypoppers for helicopters? I can't think of one.
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#80751
09/21/2002 3:16 PM
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I'm convinced actually, that the cumulative effect of fifteen thousand people having a bad nights sleep and getting up and having to go to work is probably much worse than whatever evils the police helicopter battles nightly.
I agree, and if the 'good guys' had it *their way, the trees would line up in a row and the forest would be see-through.
bellypopper = helicopter... 'Tho it ain't listed nowhere, this sounds like "rhyming slang" (something the Cockney's are masters at).
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#80752
09/21/2002 8:41 PM
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naah, it's from the BFG by Roald Dahl. The big friendly giant who mixes up his words and mixes up dreams for children at night.
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#80753
09/24/2002 5:20 PM
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Statistically, approx five people carrying loaded guns walk past my house every day, and this is England, so NO-ONE is allowed guns Ohmigawd--when I first read that, my eyebrows skyrocketed, and I thought, "She's got to be kidding!" But subsequent posts verified it. I cannot believe this. For AGES, it has been drummed into me that "England has no guns", along with the direct or indirect implication that the entire United States is nothing but trigger-happy fanatics and thugs. Interesting that no one bothered to inform me of the truth while telling me that *I* live in a lawless and dangerous land. 
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#80754
09/25/2002 12:47 PM
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The majority of English people ( I suspect) have never even seen a gun in real life Jacks. It is a small problem that is confined to small areas of inner cities, just happens to be where I live tis all. Anyway, I'm still reasonably safe, at least the POLICE don't have guns.
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09/25/2002 1:26 PM
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The majority of English people ( I suspect) have never even seen a gun in real life Jacks
I'd agree with that, dode. Strongly. When I was in RAF cadets (sorta) I did some shooting and got to know a bit about guns. Also shot air rifles as a kid, but, even though I live in the country (where there is an occasional working need for guns), I hardly ever see "real" guns. Same applies to when I lived in a fairly rough part of London (obviously nothing like Moss Side, but..), and whenever I go to London these days.
There was an armed soldier outside the Royal Scots Guards barracks yesterday (near Victoria, London). The presence of a gun in Town is striking even if in a military context.
It's quite a shock to the average Brit when in another country, walking past armed police and so on.
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#80756
09/26/2002 12:59 PM
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at least the POLICE don't have guns.
Well, OK, not all of them. And not the average patrol officer. But.
I have been led to believe that there are UK police who are arms qualified and are called upon to carry - and sometimes use - weapons in critical situations. Regular officers, I mean, not the UK equivalent of the Special Weapons and Tactics teams (SWAT teams.)
Or have I been misinformed?
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09/26/2002 2:05 PM
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yes there are armed response units in England. They are highly trained two man teams who have served at least seven years as regular unarmed bobbies and then undergo a year at least of specialist training. Every bullet has to be accounted for, indeed every time a gun is pointed at ANYONE has to be accounted for. Very different from every bobby on the beat 'packing heat'. I wouldn't like to live in a country where the police patrol the streets with loaded guns, well scary. At least the criminals only shoot at each other.
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#80758
09/26/2002 2:47 PM
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Excuse me folks, does anybody know where Doc Bill went? He owes me four dollars.
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#80759
09/26/2002 2:55 PM
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Check out his (updated) profile, Mr M - sadly, looks like he's away for a while.
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#80760
09/26/2002 3:07 PM
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i don't know about other police forces in US, since this is an area that falls under "states rights", but in NYC, the police are supposed to file a report every time they un-holster their gun on the street, and they too, must account for every bullet, and file many, many reports if they fire gun on duty. (in fact, the officer is temporarilly (24 hours, 3 day of work!) given "desk duty" so that he/she will have time to complete the paperwork. )
over 90% of the NYC police force complete 20 years on the job with out ever firing a weapon on duty except for testing. (they are required to practice, and pass a marksmanship test every 5 years)
some cop shows have shoot outs every week. one of the reasons i like the cop show(s) law and order is that never once in all the episodes have the stars shot their weapons.. (other cops have, but not the stars of the show)-- they do occationally draw their weapons, but they have never fired them. this is "normal"-- shoot outs, while they make for dramatic stories, are rare. Not that you would know it from most TV shows or movies.
i don't worry much about cop's carrying guns in NYC.
some places in US are very similar, other places, like LA, have very different reputations.
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09/26/2002 3:58 PM
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have on the side of their patrol cars their new motto: We'll Treat You Like a King
TEd
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#80762
09/27/2002 1:40 AM
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other places, like LA...
have on the side of their patrol cars their new motto: We'll Treat You Like a KingS--t! 
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09/27/2002 8:05 AM
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We'll Treat You Like a King
...depose and decapitate you ?
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#80764
09/27/2002 8:18 AM
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>We'll Treat You Like a King
Or other famous Kings - Martin Luther (I think not), Carole (maybe), Billie Jean (a few tough moments in her remarkable career as the Queen of tennis), Stephen (not really, after the car crash) Jonathan (oh dear, just for Brits, I think) ...
Ah - I know it is California isn't it.
It means that they will, like, treat you to a Burger King.
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#80765
09/27/2002 9:49 AM
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At the risk of getting sued by Joe O. Try Rodney, Jo.
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#80766
09/27/2002 9:50 AM
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Yoohoo, Rodney, comeer baby an' tell these fine folks what it means to be a King in LA 
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#80767
09/27/2002 9:55 AM
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>Rodney Looks like I missed one. Do they have a legal department? Did anyone really think about what they were writing? Are you sure it's not an Urban Myth? For non USn's with short memories: http://www.citivu.com/ktla/sc-ch1.html
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#80768
09/27/2002 9:58 AM
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an Urban Myth?
Playing Ron (not Joe (D'oh)) O again. It's a joke, Jo.
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#80769
09/27/2002 6:02 PM
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>an Urban Myth?
Could we make it an urban myth?
Funny how many Kings there are around isn't it? Is Jonathan King known in the USA?
On the subject of Kings - my favourite "sticky end" was Henry I.
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#80770
10/08/2002 7:52 PM
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Friday the 13th come on a Sunday this month.
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10/08/2002 8:14 PM
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"On the subject of Kings - my favourite "sticky end" was Henry I." Dear jmh: None of the sites on Britich slang had a definition of "sticky end". It sounds like US "s--t end of the stick" but I have no idea how that would apply to Henry I, about whom I know nothing. But I finally found a good history site about him. He sounds like a rather good king. In what way does he remind you of the sh-t end of the stick? Here a URL with several paragraphs about him, quite complimentary, I thought: : http://makeashorterlink.com/?M5AC51B02
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10/08/2002 9:13 PM
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Friday the 13th come on a Sunday this month. is a paraphrased quote from Pogo, yes?
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10/09/2002 7:55 AM
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Bill The comment about Henry I was a bit of a challenge. I'm sure it was discussed at some point in the mist of time. Other people from history who came to a sticky end include: Anne Boleyn, William Wallace and Guy Fawkes. Here's what happened to Henry I: http://www.quite.com/personal/cafeq/fooddeathtext1.htm
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10/09/2002 9:27 AM
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An he din't never eat no lampreys, far as I know. Perloo, yeah; lampreys, no.
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