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I have ben trying to recall the name of the ball used in dance halls that is covered with mirrors which reflect light in little spots on the dancers.
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the name of the ball Gary Glitter 
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Glitterball - Radiate round the hall
Lifts me up - Then leaves me to fall
Glitterball - Radiate round the hall
As the great unloved go dancing all the way
-Simple Minds
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Am I the only one too dense to understand why this inquiry is posted on a thread entitled "Words from medicine"?
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Am I the only one too dense to understand why this inquiry is posted on a thread entitled "Words from medicine"?
I was going to appeal to surrealism - what's in a title, sort of thing, but then decided not to.
My suspicion (more seriously now) is that newcomers do not always find it easy to interpret the structure of AWADtalk (some, of course, taking to it like fish to bicycles), and may post their queries on whatever forum 'comes to hand'. If they stay, with time, their posts become more accurately targetted. But this is not a theory I would fall on my sword for. (Or go to the mattresses for?)
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Shame on you, Shanks, for further counfonding the tangle of threads on this board, by subtly cross-referencing our discussion under "ditches" into this unrelated thread.
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[bristle]Kindly do not denouce my sweet shanks, if you please.[/bristle] ("Nod" to Anna of thanks for this idea!) The idea of crossing threads is entrenched on this board. And yes, lorenzo did not know his way around, and it looks like he may have disappeared.  Counfond it.
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>The idea of crossing threads is entrenched on this board.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave...
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Let us pause and give God thanks
for his loyal servant shanks
I am sorry for my saiding
he was bad for his cross-threading.
God made threads to be as tangled
As this meter to be mangled.
Sad I made Lorenzo go;
I won't do it any mo'.
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Father Steve, I loved your poem!
Howsomever, I fear you may have given offense with this one.
I now rue this trend I started,
Mourn lorenzo, dear departed;
Not all folks are loyal servants--
Non-believers can be fervents.
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This is probably going to sound stupid, but I never did understand how someone can write words that sound pretty just based on rhyme and rhythm. The only stabs I have ever made at poetry were completely devoid of rhyme and had no meter (am I remembering the poetry words correctly?) at all.
When I read something that just sings, regardless of the meanings of the words, it amazes me. I read a Lewis Carroll poem the other day that just sang straight to my heart. I had to read it a couple of times before I could understand the words because the sound of them was so beautiful that the meaning didn't even matter.
I can recognize beauty and understand that it is great, but I couldn't even begin to put together a little stanza that rhymed and sounded rhythmic, as Jackie and the good Father have done.
i wonder if this is at all related to the fact that I can look at a well dressed person or a well decorated room and appreciate it, but I couldn't begin to put together a fashionable wardrobe or living room without advice.
One also wonders why I am up at nearly 2am and have absoloutely no desire to go to bed, so I keep thinking of things to post. Sigh.
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For Jackie, Father Steve and others here,
My ego isn't such a fragile thing:
A robust apostate I am, my dear,
Not failing under every rowdy sling
Or arrow flung by one-track-minded folk
Who, though they have invoked almighty God,
Most surely I suspect intend a joke;
For crossing threads is rife in our AWAD.
And who should claim this method plays us false?
It has stood us in good stead in the past
From Shona with velocipedal waltz
To anarchy in threads that diverge fast.
We come here stout of heart and good of will
Of language, not of rage, to have our fill.
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(Sigh--so much for my resolve not to post...)
xara, I believe you can't develop poems or fashion because that's just the way your mind works. Last year I attended a training session on the seven learning styles. If you get the opportunity, I suggest you do the same--it was fascinating. We took a test, then divided into groups with people who had answered the same way. My group kept going,
"Yes! That's exactly the way I do things--why can't other
people understand that?" I almost didn't go into that group--I had FOUR categories score in the top three points,
but only one with full points (reading), so I went with that one. You might be a kinesthetic learner--I believe that's the rarest.
shanks--what can I say, but that you're wonderful and
I love you?
Oh--who's Dollabella?
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Seven learning styles. Bother - and I had been told there were four. Ah well - depends upon the management consultant in charge, I suppose. But yes - I agree that people have different learning styles and xara may well find one that works for her. After all (apart from the masterpieces Steve and you produced) we aren't claiming to write poetry here - just jingly-jangly verse. And I love you too - just don't tell your husband.  xara - rhyme and rhythm, particularly when regulated in acknowledged verse forms - sonnets (my poor example above), limericks, terza rima, villanelles and the like - are very difficult to handle 'poetically'. Only the very best poets these days can do it. For most of us, doggerel is the best we can do. I suspect that this is the reason why so much poetry these days is written in 'free verse'. It might be worth remembering that poets like Keats, Shelley and Byron (to take Romantic poets who also seem romantic to us) were actually punctilious craftsmen. They had been brought up on great poetry, had practised rhyming, alliterative verse, metrical experiments and the like in their youth, so that by the time they were in their late teens and had something special to say, poetry was natural for them. Even so they made innumerable drafts of their poems - and what sounds so spontaneous to us today was not just "profuse strains of unpremeditated art", but amazing craftsmanship as well. If you want to achieve that craftsmanship, unfortunately, practice is the only way. It doesn't matter what you wish to write about - practice rhyme and rhythm. Restrict yourself to the tough forms - the villanelles, the ottavia rima and so on - and keep the words coming. Try it with diffcult rhymes. Try to use long words and still keep your rhythm. Then, some day, when you find yourself overflowing with emotion, and want to let it out somehow, see if formal verse will do. Remember that almost any great artist was first a great craftsman. cheer the sunshine warrior ps. for Jackie: Dollabella was the principal female character in Wintersol. (How's that for an uninformative answer?)
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>Try it with difficult rhymes.
...but whatever you do, keep away from purple, silver and orange!
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>rhyme and rhythm, particularly when regulated in acknowledged verse forms - sonnets (my poor example above), limericks, terza rima, villanelles and the like - are very difficult to handle 'poetically'...I suspect that this is the reason why so much poetry these days is written in 'free verse'
Ah ha. That explains that. [rant] soooo sorry if I insult anybody here but I really hate poetry that isn't. If you look in upscale magazines, like the New Yorker, those inane ramblings are being passed off as poetry. Most times, they don't even make sense, for heaven's sake. Maybe I'm just dense and the deep inner meaning of the words are over my head, but, dag nabbit, it seems like a bunch of drivel to me.[end rant]
Phew, had to get that off my chest. Back to my happy, cheerful self.
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>soooo sorry if I insult anybody here but I really hate poetry that isn't.
The oesophagi are marching, marching,
Always marching,
And a shrill blue fills the nether.
I cry out to the spiteful Sunday,
But he's gone.
Wombat wandering over my mind.
Belle bel has spoken,
Softly,
Firmly.
And now we know, bien sûr, we KNOW,
What she thinks of
Poetry like this
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>The oesophagi are marching, marching
voilà tout! word[s] from medicine!!
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>voilà tout! word[s] from medicine!!If it's relevance to the thread title and forum name you're looking for, tsuwm, you've got the right man. I also found the connection between "ballroom" and medicine. It's to do with the - ah - delicate subject of tight jeans (insufficient ballroom) and male sterility... http://thriveonline.oxygen.com/sex/experts/delilah/delilah.07-31-97.htmlAnd I hasten to add I found it today in a Web search just for the purpose - I'd never been to Delilah's site before. Honest!  This site was just more succinct on the subject than the straight-laced medical ones with similar information.
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Bel
Walt Whitman's "Leaves of Grass" first popularised 'free verse' in the 19th century. While I don't like his poem much (I have animadverted about it on a different thread somewhere - oh yes - the book lists one), I have to admit that parts of it are quite rhythmically splendid. He deliberately avoids conventional metrical styles to achieve a spontaneity of effect.
Coming along with Eliot's subtle innovations in the early 20th century, it spelled the virtual death of verse in poetry. Few less gifted poets appreciated the genius of the rhyme and rhythm in Eliot, and saw it instead as a carte blanche for them to produce mystical musings with no structure at all. As you can see, the result (apart from Marty's mighty effort above) is often drivel. The problem, of course, is that any poet who writes in verse is likely to be dismissed these days as a mere versifier.
Even the more highly regarded ones (the late Ted Hughes in the UK, for instance) often need to establish their reputations before they can get away with good verse (sonnets in Hughes' case).
But there is no need to despair - I have read (or merely perused?) many books of contemporary verse that show there is, perhaps, a resurgence in the appreciation of the traditional values. See if you can track down the "Poems on the Underground" anthologies, or the (admittedly rather British) "The Nations Favourite Poems". Ted Hughes, before he died, also edited a delightful anthology called "By Heart", in which he makes the case for 'knowing' the poems by heart without trying to learn them by rote. One hundred gems - many old and well known, many startligly good new/fresh stuff.
Ah enough with the poetry, how about some medical words? Can anyone explain to me what dolichocephalic is supposed to mean?
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ps. Bel - some free verse is very, very good - and not all poetry should be rejected on the grounds that it doesn't follow the traditional structures...
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I'm not a medical expert (and I detest medical jargon), but dolicho- as a suffix means long and narrow -- don't know the signficance of having a long and narrow head unless it is related to being horse-faced.
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I tracked down the roots too - but they made no sense until you suggested 'horse-faced'. Only ever came across the word in Tom Sharpe's Wilt - I think with reference to the psychiatrist who is asked to assess the eponymous protagonist.
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I think that the word "dolicocefalo" (and also some similar words ) are related to Cesare Lombroso (about 1880?), who was thinking that it is possible to predict the behaviour (criminal or not) of someone from the shape of his skull ( and - I imagine- from the size of its brain). So he was classifying people in several classes, according to the kind of shape...
Do you remember "Frankenstein junior", when there is a collection of brains... and Marty Feldman takes the one with the label "ab normal"?
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>Bel - some free verse is very, very good - and not all poetry should be rejected on the grounds that it doesn't follow the traditional structures...Shanks dear, if you have any suggestions to make as to good free verse, I'd like to hear them. I promise I will look into it. As it stands, in the 'poems' I have seen, you can remove the returns and put them in paragraph form and it will sound exactly the same. What I admire about poems is their rhythmic quality. Haiku's do not rhyme but they do have rhythm. What burns my butt is that, like you say, poets that use rhyme and rhythm are considered second-class – but it's hard work. I know I can't do it. When I read something like: I went to the grocery
…..store, and when
I was in the produce section I saw
that no more melons
…….were in the bin. And my dog was
waiting in the carI want to pull out my hair at the thought that someone was PAID for this. (Oy, two grumpy posts in a row. My jubilant reputation is going to take a beating. You can now call me Grumpy Gus  )
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Ok, Grumpy Gus,
Though I can't claim to be an expert on poetry, I am currently in a class based around it, and I think the main purpose of peotry is to convey an image, however twisted or droll that image may be. Poetry is a means of expressing one's artistic thoughts. In certain types of free verse, a poet can use a word here, a large space, a couple words here, another in all capitals here and make some sort of idea pop into the readers head. Spacing and using all lower case can be effective in certain ways. It may not be nicely organized and traditional, but it can get it's point across.
And, just to make sure I relate to the topic: dementia praecox.
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It took me a moment before I figured out that emanuela was referring to the 1974 American film "Young Frankenstein" when she mentioned a scene from "Frankenstein Junior." This, according to the Italian-language site of the IMDB, is because this film was released in Italy in 1975 under the name "Frankenstein Junior." Go figure.
And you're right, cara mia, it is a very funny scene where Feldman gets the brains mixed up.
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dementia praecox.The condition of the virgin on her wedding night?
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Bel I don't know if going here ( http://www.thetube.com/webcode/contents.asp?ID=344&back=70) will help at all, but I've read the first two poems, both basically vers libre, and both very impressive. Perhaps you'll need to come to London and take a tube trip with me to spot 'em.
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Anytime Shanks dear. You know, of course, that when I do go to London I will hold you to this promissory post .
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>the name of the ball used in dance halls that is covered with mirrors which reflect light in little spots on the dancers I've always known it as a mirrorball. You can have one too: http://www.ultimatesavers.com/index.asp?ID=61
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Just spotted this thread. I had no idea of the things that go on here. I just tried to answer a simple question then I hit "show all" and found a cacophony of contributions. Amazing how y'all get around this board!
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>Perhaps you'll need to come to London and take a tube trip with me to spot 'em. I'd tread carefully, bel. "Tube trip" sounds positively illicit to me. I do, however, concede that some of the world's best poems, music and paintings have been produced by people on "tube trips".
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I keep all my promissory posts. (I'm not sure about the promises, though... hmmmm - I think I keep most of those too.)
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I've heard it called a mirror-ball before, or a disco-ball too
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years ago i heard it referred to as a star ball, alluding to the image of shooting stars flying around the venue in question
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Wrong sized athletic supporter has insufficient ballroom.
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Like the Japanese haikus which evoke such wonderful images for the imagination and the mind to dream on
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This is "Words from Medicine"? Rx One cup of Leaves of Grass
Well chewed and ruminated
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I believe the form of poetry you are describing is not free verse, but prose verse (yeah, a contradiction in terms I know). And if you take out all the line breaks they can make rather good paragraphs, but not all paragraphs can be turned into prose verse.
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